# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1016 "2021-10-21T17:24:37Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > The last naturally occurring case of polio was in 1979, thanks to a vaccine. In the US anyway. It’s still endemic in some places because some folks don’t or can’t get the vaccine. The one that eliminated polio almost everywhere else in the world. Even the Taliban has finally come around on the idea that it might be useful not to have a bunch of polio ridden kids running around. > **[Taliban will allow a national polio vaccination campaign in Afghanistan, says...](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/10/19/1047367660/taliban-will-allow-a-national-polio-vaccination-campaign-in-afghanistan-says-who)** > > Since 2018, the militant group has blocked such efforts, leaving millions of children unprotected. The World Health Organization reports that the Taliban is now reversing that stance. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1017 "2021-10-21T17:37:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > There COULD be some lurkers getting educated. Just as there could be some lurkers that are swayed by this crap. It isn’t as if there isn’t already a vast forum on the interwebs and other media allowing this dangerous malarkey to be spread, so what exactly are we accomplishing by giving even more space for it to spread? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1018 "2021-10-21T18:01:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > There COULD be some lurkers getting educated. > > Just as there could be some Iurkers that are swayed by this crap. > It isn’t as if there isn’t already a vast forum on the interwebs and other media allowing this dangerous malarkey to be spread, so what exactly are we accomplishing by giving even more space for it to spread? I fully support smacking down (HARD) anyone who posts disinformation about COVID on this board. If my post in any way supported an interpretation that I don’t consider it that big a deal, I apologize for my clumsy writing. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1019 "2021-10-21T18:31:03Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > COVID has really woke me up to the fact that we’re collectively dumber than I ever thought. You misspelled TRUMP ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1020 "2021-10-21T19:05:34Z")
This COVID crap has been completely blatant stupidity. There were some reasons for Trumps first success to where I was still (stupidly) chalking it up to a perfect storm that got him the nomination and then elected. This time with COVID and the all too close re-election, I’m out of excuses and downgraded my estimate of the collective intelligence. Especially as we saw stupidity play out in so many other places in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1021 "2021-10-21T19:27:45Z")
Any change in their vax opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1023 "2021-10-21T20:23:53Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > This time with COVID and the all too close re-election, I’m out of excuses and downgraded my estimate of the collective intelligence. Especially as we saw stupidity play out in so many other places in the world. I am just reminded of [Wizard’s First Rule](https://sot.fandom.com/wiki/Wizard%27s_Rules): “People are stupid. They believe things mainly because they either want them to be true or fear them to be true.” Or as Agent K said in _Men in Black_, “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1024 "2021-10-21T21:01:04Z")
Agree TroutMan. Obvious misinformation is one thing. But dangerous misinformation is something else. I made my first post in ATMB about this. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1025 "2021-10-21T22:29:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Even the Taliban has finally come around on the idea that it might be useful not to have a bunch of polio ridden kids running around. If the kids have polio, they ain’t doing any running. I’m not going to bother saying what I think of this new poster. Quite a few people have already expressed my feelings already and he’s not worth the time or effort unless I get seriously irked, and I’m getting too tired for this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1026 "2021-10-22T11:49:45Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I’m getting too tired for this shit. Are you a grizzled cop two days from retirement? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1027 "2021-10-22T11:54:22Z")
Aren’t we all? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1028 "2021-10-22T13:46:35Z")
Not even close, but this world is aging me faster every day. It’s really upsetting to learn how many people are so stupid, uncaring, or both that they can’t see beyond their own little nose. Which they keep turned up at the rest of the world. Seriously, they need to get over themselves and learn that the only way the species (and most of our current biome) survives is to take care of each other. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1029 "2021-10-22T14:03:42Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > If the kids have polio, they ain’t doing any running. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1030 "2021-10-22T14:04:52Z")
When you have a site dedicated to fighting ignorance, sometimes ignorance shows up looking for a fight. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1031 "2021-10-22T14:43:19Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > > [@Morgyn](#): > > > > If the kids have polio, they ain’t doing any running. > > I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this. Many will. From Wikipedia: > Up to 70 percent of those infected [have no symptoms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymptomatic).[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio#cite_note-PinkBook2009-1) Another 25 percent of people have minor symptoms such as fever and a sore throat, and up to 5 percent have [headache](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headache), neck stiffness, and pains in the arms and legs.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio#cite_note-PinkBook2009-1)[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio#cite_note-WHO2014-3) These people are usually back to normal within one or two weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1032 "2021-10-22T14:49:43Z")
Ignorance fought. I grew up after the Polio vaccine was readily available, so didn’t personally know anyone affected, just the stories of iron lungs, people like FDR (who tried his damnedest to not be seen in a wheelchair or using crutches) etc. I understand Mitch McConnell had polio as a youth, and still has some physical effects. Now that you post the stats, it makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1033 "2021-10-22T15:37:02Z")
My wife’s grandmother (who is still around though she’s quite elderly) had polio as a child. It caused one leg to not grow as well as the other, and she’s always had a pronounced limp her whole life, just made worse now with old age. That’s all I have to contribute, just that I know someone who had it and yeah I get the “they aren’t running” joke because that’s not an uncommon symptom for those who had it back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1034 "2021-10-22T15:40:46Z")
Yeah, the father of one of my friends has a bad leg due to polio (also a doctor, so absolutely no issues convincing him to get vaccinated) and just twisted his good ankle, so not doing much walking at all for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1035 "2021-10-22T16:50:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That’s all I have to contribute, just that I know someone who had it and yeah I get the “they aren’t running” joke because that’s not an uncommon symptom for those who had it back in the day. I knew a couple of people who had polio. I was very young, and they were old men. Both had to wear a leg brace and had a pronounced limp. I got the “aren’t running” reference too. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/1036 "2021-10-22T17:02:06Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Both had to wear a leg brace and had a pronounced limp. I got the “aren’t running” reference too. So did I, of course, but I wanted to point out that in contrast to our modern view of it even Polio was a disease that often had no or few symptoms, like COVID. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=52)