# Shameless season 4 (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 18, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163 "2014-01-18T19:38:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/61 "2014-04-01T07:29:27Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > My point is a shot was fired-so something happened, and yet nobody reported it. If it were reported, Kev should have at least been booked for child endangerment. But the truth is nobody gives a flying fuck if guns are around kids. Fiona called the authorities, Kevin didn’t. She gets it up the bunghole and he gets to go Zen. My point is that nobody was hurt, so nothing happened. “Something happened” would be if someone got shot. Kevin’s misfire was equivalent to Fiona putting the coke on the kitchen table. Nobody would have cared about coke on the table and nobody would have turned her in, just like nobody cared about a misfire and nobody reported him. It’s **only** when somebody actually gets hurt that anybody cares at all, in either situation. The double-standard you’re trying to paint about drugs and guns doesn’t hold water in this instance. It’s a single standard that both are held to: If someone gets hurt, that’s bad. If nobody got hurt, no worries, go nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/62 "2014-04-01T19:24:07Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > My point is that nobody was hurt, so nothing happened. “Something happened” would be if someone got shot. > > Kevin’s misfire was equivalent to Fiona putting the coke on the kitchen table. Nobody would have cared about coke on the table and nobody would have turned her in, just like nobody cared about a misfire and nobody reported him. It’s **only** when somebody actually gets hurt that anybody cares at all, in either situation. > > The double-standard you’re trying to paint about drugs and guns doesn’t hold water in this instance. It’s a single standard that both are held to: If someone gets hurt, that’s bad. If nobody got hurt, no worries, go nuts. We can agree to disagree, something happened. A gun went off. If the gun was just in the closet or “sitting on the kitchen table” and nobody used it then nothing happened. The fact that it made a big loud noise and nobody gave a rattz pattoutey says more about society than it does about child safety. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/63 "2014-04-01T20:55:34Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > We can agree to disagree I’ll agree to that. No matter how you try to spin it, I think your double-standard simply does not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/64 "2014-04-01T22:22:19Z")
On another note, a great review on the show from Vanity Fair, especially Mickey and Ian and how its the best written gay couple on television. I concur > **[The best-written gay couple on television is hiding on a guilty-pleasure show](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/03/best-written-gay-couple-on-shameless?mbid=social_twitter)** > > Shameless proves, once again, that there are hidden depths in the debauch. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/65 "2014-04-07T02:18:54Z")
DAMN!!! GREAT SHOW TONIGHT, Lazarus is a good title for the episode. Now I am jonesing for another episode but gotta wait till next season!! ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/66 "2014-04-07T04:24:30Z")
First episode I’ve been able to watch in real time. More to say later, but right now Twitter feeds for the cast of the show are [abuzz](http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/the-shameless-season-finale-shocker-no-one-saw-coming). Apparently none of them knew about Jimmy/Steve/Jack. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/67 "2014-04-07T13:32:36Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Another hunch - the last scene of the season finale will be Jimmy/Steve standing outside the Gallagher house…he’s back! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Fantastic finale - I thought Frank was going to pour that bottle out instead of testing his new liver. Lip seeing Mandy at the restaurant was heart breaking - she wants him to do well and knows what he can accomplish. I still want to see someone destroy her boyfriend - here’s hoping that’s how next season begins. I can’t believe we have to wait 'til next January! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/68 "2014-04-07T14:29:15Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! > > Fantastic finale - I thought Frank was going to pour that bottle out instead of testing his new liver. Lip seeing Mandy at the restaurant was heart breaking - she wants him to do well and knows what he can accomplish. I still want to see someone destroy her boyfriend - here’s hoping that’s how next season begins. I can’t believe we have to wait 'til next January! :smack: I came here to say you were right about Steve, and wish that you weren’t. I really think it’s lame to bring him back after what happened with his storyline, but otherwise I thought this season was very good. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/69 "2014-04-08T04:29:24Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! > > Fantastic finale - I thought Frank was going to pour that bottle out instead of testing his new liver. Lip seeing Mandy at the restaurant was heart breaking - she wants him to do well and knows what he can accomplish. I still want to see someone destroy her boyfriend - here’s hoping that’s how next season begins. I can’t believe we have to wait 'til next January! :smack: There sure was a lot of heart-breaking stuff this episode. Lip running into Mandy at work, Ian finally having a depressive episode (Micky’s reaction almost had me in tears), Carl’s first heart-break. Admittedly the last one pales in comparison to the first two. On the plus side Fiona’s finally out of jail, has a job, and almost admitted she’s an addict. Also Micky & Svetlana appear to have reached an understanding and Sam look’s like she’ll be around next season. I am _not_ happy Jimmy/Steve/etc returned; totally unexpected, I thought _Monica_ would be the big reveal. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/70 "2014-04-08T06:35:12Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > On the plus side Fiona’s finally out of jail, has a job, and almost admitted she’s an addict. Fiona’s not an addict. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/71 "2014-04-08T11:57:28Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > My point is that nobody was hurt, so nothing happened. “Something happened” would be if someone got shot. > > Kevin’s misfire was equivalent to Fiona putting the coke on the kitchen table. Nobody would have cared about coke on the table and nobody would have turned her in, just like nobody cared about a misfire and nobody reported him. It’s **only** when somebody actually gets hurt that anybody cares at all, in either situation. > > The double-standard you’re trying to paint about drugs and guns doesn’t hold water in this instance. It’s a single standard that both are held to: If someone gets hurt, that’s bad. If nobody got hurt, no worries, go nuts. What we have here is a philosophical question: If a shot is fired on Shameless, and no one is hurt, does Frank go on a bender? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/72 "2014-04-08T13:10:53Z")
Ian being bipolar when he was being all manic just didn’t occur to me, I just assumed it was drugs. Now it seems so damn obvious, I almost feel stupid. I really, REALLY liked that episode, great way to close a season. Frankly, Shameless is my favourite show on TV full stop. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/73 "2014-04-09T02:11:36Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Fiona’s not an addict. Well maybe not to drugs (_yet_), but she sure seems like a sex (chaos?) addict. BTW was anyone else a bit taken aback with the reminder of how old she is? She’s only 23. Mandy’s only 18/19, and almost looks like she’s pushing 40 some scenes. I miss the psycho girl who just a few episodes ago had her boyfriend (who’s now beating her) fleeing naked from the house because she was trying to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/74 "2014-04-09T02:32:07Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > What we have here is a philosophical question: > If a shot is fired on Shameless, and no one is hurt, does Frank go on a bender? Frank never needs a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/75 "2014-04-09T02:53:09Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Ian being bipolar when he was being all manic just didn’t occur to me, I just assumed it was drugs. Now it seems so damn obvious, I almost feel stupid. > > I really, REALLY liked that episode, great way to close a season. Frankly, Shameless is my favourite show on TV full stop. I think it’s mine as well. It’s easy to assume that being around drugs and using them would account for Ian’s behaviour. But when he stopped making sense the first time he sees Lip and Debs after a long absence from them, something else was at play. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/76 "2014-04-10T13:51:36Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > There sure was a lot of heart-breaking stuff this episode. Lip running into Mandy at work, Ian finally having a depressive episode (Micky’s reaction almost had me in tears), Carl’s first heart-break. Admittedly the last one pales in comparison to the first two. Those were heavy scenes, but I was more moved by Debbie’s (along with Carl & Liam) reaction to Fiona’s return. Debbie has had quite a few “reunions” in the kitchen area over the run, but this one was really well done. I will say I called out (to my wife, anyway) Ian’s bipolar foreshadowing when he first returned home this season. I did have an unfair advantage, as we’ve been watching the seasons out of order a bit, and there was a strong similarity between his manic behavior and Monica’s from season 2 ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163/77 "2014-04-10T17:34:10Z")
I did laugh when Fiona and Lip were talking about the family not catching a break. Yeah Fiona, you left your coke out while partying and nearly killed your brother, got arrested and released on probation–broke probation to go on another bender–got sent to prison (I suspect it was maybe a week? maybe two) and then released early and set up with a new job. Count your fucking blessings, Gallagher. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shameless-season-4-open-spoilers/679163.md?page=3)