# Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, comic-books-manga\ **Created:** [April 19, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306 "2021-04-19T14:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/21 "2021-04-23T17:42:34Z")
Trailer looks great. I love those wuxia sort of movies, although I like the period/medieval ones better. A few I’ve found on YouTube movies for free are: Brotherhood of Blades Detective Dee series Reign of Assassins ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/22 "2021-04-28T23:50:01Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Looks like at least part of it takes place in San Francisco. I’m wondering if there will be a connection to Ant-Man/Jimmy Woo. Jimmy Woo has been in the comics since 1956, starting out as an American secret agent working against The Yellow Claw (mentioned above) who was a “communist Chinese mandarin”, but not _ **The** _ Mandarin. That sets a good precedent for Randall Park’s Jimmy Woo to be working against The Mandarin. It would be cool if they worked him in. The wuxia flashback-looking scene in the trailer is the subject of theories that the yellow & green clad fighter is a previous Iron Fist. > **[Jimmy Woo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Woo)** > > James "Jimmy" Woo (Woo Yen Jet) is a fictional secret agent appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by EC Comics writer Al Feldstein and artist Joe Maneely, the Chinese American character first appeared in Yellow Claw #1 (October 1956) from Atlas Comics, the 1950s predecessor of Marvel. Woo has since appeared occasionally in a variety of Marvel publications. > The character has made minor appearances in animated media and video games. Additionally, he appears in the M... ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/23 "2021-04-29T00:13:30Z")
> [@Retzbu\_Tox](#): > > The Yellow Claw (mentioned above) who was a “communist Chinese mandarin”, but not _ **The** _ Mandarin. Yeah, Communist China in the Marvel Universe was an…interesting place. They apparently somehow still had mandarins _after_ the Communist Revolution (IIRC, _the_ Mandarin was also originally a communist mandarin, whatever that is). > [@Retzbu\_Tox](#): > > Jimmy Woo has been in the comics since 1956, starting out as an American secret agent working against The Yellow Claw…That sets a good precedent for Randall Park’s Jimmy Woo to be working against The Mandarin. It would be cool if they worked him in. Jimmy Woo is a really interesting character, historically. The Yellow Claw was a pretty cringey Yellow Peril stereotype (it’s right there in the name!), but the creators at the time still decided to counter-balance that by making his arch-enemy a _heroic_ person of Chinese descent - in the 1950s, no less. I suppose there was a precedent with Charlie Chan, a heroic Chinese detective, and his sons even got to be romantic leads in the movies. But still, Jimmy Woo seems almost a weirdly progressive character to have appeared in 1950s comics. (And in the recent-ish _Agents of Atlas_ series, we find out the Yellow Claw wasn’t really a villain, at least not entirely, and he was actually grooming Jimmy Woo to be his successor. I think it would be a hoot if the MCU’s Jimmy Woo turns out to be the secret heir apparent to the Ten Rings or some other Atlas-like organization, but at best we’ll probably get a Jimmy Woo cameo, which would still be fun). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/24 "2021-05-24T14:44:03Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/6MOLJDZXOPU/maxresdefault.jpg "Film Theory: The Giant MONSTER Hiding in Shang-Chi! (Shang Chi Trailer)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MOLJDZXOPU) The Film Theorist thinks it is possible. ---
**Author:** ![OldManLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oldmanlogan/32/5237_2.png) [@OldManLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldManLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/25 "2021-09-05T22:12:06Z")
Just got back from watching it with my son. I really enjoyed the movie. At it’s heart, it’s a movie about a family dealing with grief and the impact on all the living members. Plus a lot of martial arts fighting! And karaoke! And driving fun cars! Also, can Michelle Yeoh be in all movies from now until forever? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/26 "2021-09-05T23:12:13Z")
Yeah this movie was really good, great addition to the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/27 "2021-09-06T16:07:59Z")
I really enjoyed it to. Disney+ has been aggressively suggesting the “All Hail the King” One-Shot for the past 2 weeks, so the surpise character was telegraphed a bit. Though he certainly deserves another for that role. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/28 "2021-09-06T20:55:36Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Though he certainly deserves another for that role Another Oscar I meant to say. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/29 "2021-09-07T00:13:28Z")
I saw it today, at a mid-afternoon showing in the big theater at my local multiplex. And I was surprised how crowded it was. I was sitting directly in the middle seat in an upper middle row and there were people all around me, including in the seats to my left and right. It was definitely the biggest crowd I’ve seen in a theater in over a year. BTW, who was the villain in the mask or makeup? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/30 "2021-09-07T01:18:07Z")
I’m going to go ahead and call him “Boba Fett” because he looked badass, fought like a badass, and went out like a punk. I understand the movie built him up to be a badass and then killed him so easily to show stakes and the power of the demon dragon thingies…but come on, dude just got punked out. The IMDB trivia says that Wong was fighting Abomination at the fight club…is that right? I was big and kinda looked like him, but I thought the thing Wong was fighting had flippers of some sort on his head and wasn’t as white. Also, didn’t Abomination die or something? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/31 "2021-09-07T01:39:41Z")
BTW, I Googled and found the name of the masked character. It’s someone called [Death Dealer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_D#Death-Dealer) and even in the comics is fairly minor. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/32 "2021-09-07T13:35:06Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > The IMDB trivia says that Wong was fighting Abomination at the fight club…is that right? I was big and kinda looked like him, but I thought the thing Wong was fighting had flippers of some sort on his head and wasn’t as white. Also, didn’t Abomination die or something? A quick image search shows they don’t look that much alike besides size - as you said, this guy had fins on his head and body that the original Abomination didn’t. But all the articles about the trailer and even the [MCU wiki](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Abomination#Tournament_Fighter) say it’s him, down to quoting Wong as calling him “Emil”. He was captured, not killed, at the end of “The Incredible Hulk.” And he was mentioned twice by name since - in an early episode of “Agents of SHIELD” (maybe canon?) and a Marvel One-Shot (which I think are canon). If he had been in SHIELD custody, then presumably he got out somehow after the events of “Winter Soldier”, even presuming Hydra hadn’t found a way to release/use him earlier. ETA: I’ve found some clips that claim that Tim Roth actually did the voice for that character, so that would confirm it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/33 "2021-09-07T18:14:34Z")
It’s weird that they just changed his look for no reason, but given what he is I guess something like that could happen. Maybe they didn’t have the rights to the original likeness? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/34 "2021-09-07T18:25:33Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Maybe they didn’t have the rights to the original likeness? That’s a pretty good guess. The film that character debuted in is one of the few MCU movies that Disney doesn’t (can’t?) stream. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/35 "2021-09-07T18:26:30Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Maybe they didn’t have the rights to the original likeness? Actually, he now looks a lot more like the character in the original comics. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/36 "2021-09-07T19:08:25Z")
So when we last saw Bruce, he was still Professor Hulk at Tony’s funeral in Endgame. But now he’s human again, with an arm in a cast - will there be something coming up explaining how he got that way? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/37 "2021-09-07T19:20:26Z")
Edited title since there are spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/38 "2021-09-07T20:07:09Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > Actually, he now looks a lot more like the character in the original comics. Right, I meant the likeness from the Hulk movie. ---
**Author:** ![jadielyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jadielyn/32/8808_2.png) [@jadielyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jadielyn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/39 "2021-09-07T23:17:53Z")
Probably the She-Hulk D+ show, hoping for plot-relevant rather than offhanded dialogue, but who can say. They handwaved the Smart Hulk merge offscreen, after all. Bruce looks like times been rough since Endgame. There’s been hints dropped by either Feige or other staff that there has been stuff going on around this time not shown yet … presumably the blanks will be filled in sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306/40 "2021-09-08T12:29:04Z")
I saw it yesterday, and I was honestly kind of disappointed. Although I’m far from a purist, I was personally disappointed that the characters bore almost no resemblance to their comics counterparts, and I thought the plot didn’t really hold together. And despite the title, the whole movie was apparently just _setting up_ the Ten Rings, to set the next Phase of the MCU - when do they stop setting up the next Phase and actually start it, and make movies that are actually about what they’re about? And at this point, the climax was practically a self-parody of MCU movies. I’m seriously now wondering if the MCU actually has a writer’s bible that requires or at least strongly suggests the climactic scene feature two massed forces facing off in opposing battle lines before wildly charging at each other and elaborate CGI fight sequences. And, of course, a glowing sky portal. At least this time the sky portal was in the side of a mountain… On the bright side, earlier in the movie when it remembered Shang-Chi is a kung fu hero, it had some pretty good action sequences. And I appreciated that it _tried_ for some heart, with a villain who was motivated by being twisted and broken by grief rather than random Evil, and the family dynamics between Shang-Chi, Xialing, and Wenwu. MCU movies almost always focus on “found families”, so it was kind of refreshing to see a literal family at the center of the drama. And I didn’t think it was really _bad_, just…workmanlike. Which, honestly, it seems like more and more MCU projects are. As many problems as I had with _WandaVision_, I was still excited by how _ambitious_ it was. I thought a lot of the risks it took didn’t pay off, but I was glad to see the MCU _taking_ those risks. _Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings_ felt to me much more like they were just ticking off boxes on the MCU’s Trademark Plot Checklist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-open-spoilers/940306.md?page=3)