# Shayna is an intellectual coward **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 1, 2008, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556 "2008-04-01T17:52:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/141 "2008-04-03T13:05:15Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Believe it or not, before this thread I was never **entirely** clear that **Martin** is a Christian or something of the sort. Therefore, as a morally superior Unitarian/atheist/agnostic/whuttevah, I say to **Martin** in the fullest and most **appropriate** expression of Christian love, may your first day in Hell last a thousand years, and may it be the shortest; and may your false and evil and abominable God (may He burn in His own Hell for His sins) never in all eternity take the least notice of you save as something upon which to wipe His ass. [/QUOTE] In other words, you are posting things you don’t believe in order to stir up shit. Again, **Martin** , do you see what I mean? They often don’t even pretend they aren’t trolls. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/142 "2008-04-03T13:07:27Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Naw, no better. [/QUOTE] In retrospect, I’m compelled to say I hope that it was clear that I was joking. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/143 "2008-04-03T13:10:32Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] And you have the shamelesness of calling other people trolls? Don´t you have any sense of decency at all? [/QUOTE] Appeals to decency have no effect on automatons. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/144 "2008-04-03T13:26:02Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] In other words, you are posting things you don’t believe in order to stir up shit. Again, **Martin** , do you see what I mean? They often don’t even pretend they aren’t trolls. Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] I really applaud your ability to maintain such a noble nature despite the relentless mistreatment you suffer at the hands of these thugs. You can only hope the excellent example you set, with your fallacy-free, well-reasoned posts, will inspire the orcs to become more human. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/145 "2008-04-03T13:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] In other words, you are posting things you don’t believe in order to stir up shit. [/QUOTE] Actually, I’m just trying to top **Cervaise** in the vitriol stakes. Don’t RW’s believe in the spirit of competition? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/146 "2008-04-03T13:48:01Z")
RWs? Regards, Shodan PS - Set your sights a bit higher. **Cervaise** did well with his Telemarketer rant, but the one in this thread was sort of lame. Mere venting, no creativity. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/147 "2008-04-03T14:23:43Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] In retrospect, I’m compelled to say I hope that it was clear that I was joking. [/QUOTE] Well, I HOPED… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/148 "2008-04-03T14:50:20Z")
[QUOTE=cricetus] I really applaud your ability to maintain such a noble nature despite the relentless mistreatment you suffer at the hands of these thugs. [/QUOTE] Amazing how well he types with those holes in his hands. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/149 "2008-04-03T15:36:01Z")
Yeah, but he can’t swim. Has to walk. ---
**Author:** ![E.Thorp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@E.Thorp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E.Thorp)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/150 "2008-04-03T16:47:09Z")
Can’t eat M&Ms either. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/151 "2008-04-03T17:51:14Z")
So, it seems like we all agree with the OP. Good. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/152 "2008-04-03T18:03:42Z")
[QUOTE=E. Thorp] Can’t eat M&Ms either. [/QUOTE] We told him they were all “Dubyas”. He bought it. Shhhhh! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/153 "2008-04-04T04:29:06Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] RWs? [/QUOTE] You know, slaves, whores, retards, conservatives, lunatics, mental defectives, that sort of thng. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/154 "2008-04-04T19:29:08Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] It was the Pit, you idiot. [/QUOTE] I never said it wasn’t. Show me where it is written that in the pit the rules of logic and reason don’t apply? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/155 "2008-04-04T19:34:52Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] So if someone else started the thread, you wouldn’t have so shamelessly hijacked it? Then you’ve just admitted that your attack on Obama was actually a (thinly) veiled attack on Shayna. I think you’ve adequately proven that with this thread and your refusal to participate in BrainGlutton’s spin off thread. If you want to debate the issues, then debate the issues. If you want to fuck with Shayna, I guess go ahead. But you are being intellectually dishonest yourself if you try to say that you’re all about hitting out at Obama, when Shayna is your real target. If that’s not what you mean to say, then you’ve undermined yourself in a big way. [/quote] No, if someone else who was **a mouthpiece for the Obama campaign** had started that thread, I would have brought Obama up–period. I already debated this issue, to my satisfaction, in the closed thread. By having the thread closed **Shayna** prohibited anyone who disagreed with me from having further say–and that’s fine. But that isn’t my fault, and I’m not going to reiterate arguments I have already made in a new thread, my arguments have been made in the venue I wanted to make them. To me, that particular topic (Obama being a racist) is now a done and settled argument as it pertains to me. At least for the time being. > [@](#): > > Martin, I mean this sincerely, without spite-- you are totally, completely wrong. That thread was not about Obama until you made it about Obama because of your grudge against Shayna. I don’t know you or Shayna, I haven’t followed your work, so this isn’t personal. I participated in that thread about McCain because I think what John McCain said was really stupid and I despise his attiude on the topic. I did not post to that thread as a backhanded way of supporting Obama. If I wanted to that… I’d post to an Obama thread. There are plenty. This is really just simple logic, and the mods agree because they closed the original thread because you were hijacking it all to hell. It was about Obama, period. It was about Obama in the same way a negative attack ad about John McCain paid for by “Friends of Barack Obama” would be, about Obama. Specifically, about getting Obama elected, about making Obama look better by comparison. If you can’t understand this basic facet of politics, I’m sorry. Negative attacks on your _opponent_ in a political election are indeed about the person (or candidate) making the attack–these attacks are done to make one candidate look better than the other. I’m not saying some issues about John McCain _weren’t_ being raised–but based on who was raising them and how they were raising these issues, it makes it abundantly clear to me that thread was the SDMB equivalent of a “Paid for by Barack Obama” negative attack ad. Such ads open up the person who put the ad up to fair criticism (or the candidate such ads support.) > [@](#): > > I think you need to take a step back. Maybe reread the thread, trying not to think about who the OP was. Those of us who didn’t know who was who and your personal grudges thought you came off as a nutcase with some inexplicable need to talk about Obama when he was totally irrelevant to the topic. Some perspective might help you realize that you are fabricating your allegation out of whole cloth. Sorry, I don’t owe the OP impartiality. If Focus on the Family paid someone to post a thread about something in the pit, do you genuinely think everyone would act impartial and treat the thread and its arguments based on their own merit? No, of course not, people would point out the underlying bias of the organization the promulgated the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/156 "2008-04-04T19:39:40Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] **Martin** - See what I mean? Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] Yeah, and I agree with a lot of what you’ve posted. In essence for about two years I’ve followed that general level of advice, I’ve ignored a lot of the more idiotic stuff I’ve seen here. I’ve ignored probably 200x what I’ve confronted, and while I think ignoring some of the dumber circle jerk “we all love liberal-thing X” stuff is wise, sometimes I think it has to be hit head-on too. It’s reasonable to want to avoid that though, because there is nothing more universal than the condemnation and outrage you’ll get from most of the political dopers when you dare go directly against an anti-GOP or pro-Leftist/Liberal (nowadays pro-Obama) circle jerk in progress. You become that unwelcome guy who makes it harder for everyone in the circle to get off. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/157 "2008-04-04T19:42:17Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] It was about Obama, period. [/QUOTE] Call up the Nobel people. I’ve discovered a substance denser than osmium. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/158 "2008-04-04T19:43:47Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] **Shayna** is not a neutral party on the subject of Senator Obama. But you cannot complain at how unfairly she dismisses logical argument without first offering it. In other words, debate the debate. You haven’t done that here. [/QUOTE] This is untrue, in that very thread I presented evidence to back up my assertions. There is more evidence out there, but I think one of the key pieces of evidence is the simple _fact_ that Obama supports a guy who publishes hate-speech written by _terrorists_. Jeremiah Wright’s racism is beyond question, and it is my assertion that long-time association, in the manner of making Jeremiah Wright your “spiritual mentor” and even giving him a position on your presidential campaign is a tacit endorsement of the man. It’s one thing if this stuff was a secret, and Obama found out about it after the fact, but there’s no evidence that that is the case. Jeremiah Wright has not been afraid to make these hatemongering feelings of his known for decades. In any case, as I said, I feel I debated the topic in the original thread. I’m sorry that it was closed, I would have debated it further in that thread. I’m simply not going to make it a habit to repost the same arguments over and over again just because one poster is too afraid to allow debate. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/159 "2008-04-04T19:50:19Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] In other words, you are posting things you don’t believe in order to stir up shit. Again, **Martin** , do you see what I mean? They often don’t even pretend they aren’t trolls. Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] I prefer **BrainGlutton** ’s posts in these threads to his usual habit of starting a thread that links to a news article about: 1. Something evil Republicans are doing 2. Some batshit, moronic conspiracy theory 3. Some doomsday imminent that is probably being caused by Conservatives Then making a few word comment on the article to the effect of, “Well, what do you think?” It’s always disgusted me that someone feels the need to act as a lefter-leaning version of Fark here on the Dope. I also have little respect for people who won’t put out their opinions on a topic right when they start their threads. (With one exception being people who are openly and honestly just soliciting opinions of others.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556/160 "2008-04-04T19:54:44Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] Jeremiah Wright’s racism is beyond question . . . [/QUOTE] :dubious: You’re not still **here,** are you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shayna-is-an-intellectual-coward/443556.md?page=9)