# She-Hulk: Attorney at Law **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [May 18, 2022, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591 "2022-05-18T02:56:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/402 "2022-09-23T17:02:00Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Where WandaVison was a sit-com that wasn’t a sitcom; She-Hulk is a sit-com that _is_ a sit-com. It’s difficult for some viewers to make that adjustment.   I like to say each episode is an issue of a comic book instead of a graphic novel. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/403 "2022-09-23T17:07:00Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > She-Hulk is a sit-com that _is_ a sit-com. It’s difficult for some viewers to make that adjustment. Indeed; it has a very different feel from any of the other Disney+ MCU series so far. Last week’s episode (the court case against Titania) had no action scenes in it at all; this week’s episode had the short fight that Titania picked with Jen. I don’t mind this; I like the show quite a bit. But, it definitely is a very different show. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/404 "2022-09-23T17:33:14Z")
I’m wishing more and more they’d gone a different route for effects. Better CGI but less of it, two actresses shoulderpads and platform shoes, freaking _anything._ The more I watch the show, the more distracting the CGI becomes. Which is a shame, because I really am enjoying the rest of it. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/405 "2022-09-23T18:11:19Z")
I wonder if Titania dropped the camera to spy on Jen. Because it seems like a coincidence that it was peeping at her near where they fought. And who has dancing before the wedding? It felt staged. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/406 "2022-09-23T23:00:45Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Where WandaVison was a sit-com that wasn’t a sitcom; She-Hulk is a sit-com that _is_ a sit-com. It seems to me that they plan for this to be an ongoing series, too. There’s been no confirmation of this, but as the storyline is not world-shatteringly epic (see Loki, Moon Knight, and even Ms Marvel), it can be more episodic, and continue on comfortably in that style without needing to introduce a new villainous mega-arc each season. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/407 "2022-09-27T20:12:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > > [@Mikemike2](#): > > > > I watched the Wedding episode last night, not my favourite episode. I wonder if this show will eventually “get into gear” like Wanda Vision did. > > I hear what you’re saying. At the same time, I enjoy the easy fun of the show enough that I look forward to it every week without it ever “getting into gear”. I mean, I assume there will be more of a plot/conflict/climax at some point, but I don’t currently mind the lack. Samesies. Not only am I enjoying the “low stakes” nature of the show, but I would be totally okay with the show being completely “no stakes.” In fact, I’d like to see more of the lawyers from GLK&H practicing superhuman law, preferably with D/E-list Marvel characters as their clients, and for every second of screen time that’s _not_ that to pretty much be “Jen goes \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, and then superhuman hijinks happen!”, where you just fill in the blank with, “… to a wedding,” “… to a Dodgers game with her dad,” “… to a spa,” “… to the grocery store,” “… on a date,” etc., plus the occasional character development stuff, like Pug being a sneakerhead. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/408 "2022-09-27T21:17:41Z")
I so felt for Jen when she was told she couldn’t be her new self at the wedding. I had something similar happen to me once, except in my case I found out ahead of the wedding. I cancelled the vacation and threw away the plane ticket. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/409 "2022-09-27T21:19:13Z")
TBH that didn’t hit for me. Up until this episode she’s been upset when people want She-Hulk instead of her real self. The 180 out of nowhere just didn’t feel believable. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/410 "2022-09-27T22:39:32Z")
I mean, part of the story is her accepting that both halves of her are her. She wants the right to be both/either at HER discretion, not anyone else’s. (Same way some Muslim women are protesting to wear head coverings and some are protesting NOT to wear head coverings…) (I mean, if she did show up at a wedding and was She-Hulk and everyone was just goggling at her instead of paying attention to the actual marriage, that would be kind of a dick move on her part… but someone who genuinely liked her enough to invite her to a wedding ought to trust her enough not to be a dick in the first place. It’s like if you know someone who often wears extremely wacky and crazy clothes, or has bonkers haircuts, either invite them to the wedding or don’t. But don’t invite them and also sit them down and tell them they can’t be who they are.) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/411 "2022-09-28T11:07:18Z")
And it’s clear they just invited her because they thought she’d just be a warm body or a doormat. “Just Jen”, basically. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/412 "2022-09-29T00:31:01Z")
Yeah, but you _know_ she’d turn, breaking the fourth wall, and mutter: “Snakes…why did it have to be _snakes_?!?” To be fair, Sidewinder (or whoever the hell is running the Society these days) can retort “It’s great for marketing!! Why should the _heroes_ be the only guys with t-shirts and action figures?” ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/413 "2022-09-29T02:50:00Z")
> [@Ponderoid](#): > > I so felt for Jen when she was told she couldn’t be her new self at the wedding. I had something similar happen to me once, except in my case I found out ahead of the wedding. I cancelled the vacation and threw away the plane ticket. I feel so bad for y… wait, you couldn’t attend as yourself? Or they didn’t want the super-hero-costumed version of you? If it was that they wanted you to attend as your old, original gender, then I’ll stop joking around. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/414 "2022-09-29T11:34:56Z")
I find it incredibly unrealistic that any woman could meet someone that tried to attack them on the street a few nights ago and somehow become best buds with that person a half hour later because they talked a bunch about how they are now working on themselves. I especially don’t like the insinuation made that “taking radical accountability” for something involves sitting in a room and feeling really bad about it and not like, turning yourself into the police or at the very least, even facing your victim and putting your fate in their hands. It really seemed to minimize what a traumatizing experience that violence towards women can be, even if you are a superhero. It also felt weird to me that some creep running a sex cult is also cast as this healing guru who is right about everything. Notably, none of the women who we are told are ostensibly funding this lavish estate of his are around when Jen is there because I think it would underline just how creepy and manipulative his entire establishment is and undercut what the episode is trying to do. I think my main frustration with the series as a whole is it can never seem to pin down what world it wants to live in, it’s a mix of hyper-realistic examination of how feminism intersects with misogyny in the modern world and tropey comic book logic that conveniently drives the plot forward in a don’t-think-about-it kind of way and the two undercut each other because a lot of how we got to a place of modern female oppression is the don’t-think-about-it tropes in fiction. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/415 "2022-09-29T15:38:13Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > I find it incredibly unrealistic that … Realism is not what I think this show is about … it is however pretty _internally consistent_ for the character, which is perhaps more important. Despite being a lawyer, and a Hulk, Jen is mostly conflict avoidant, and wants to be liked by everyone, pretty desperate for approval, to the point of being the go-to door mat during the wedding episode. Everyone knows she will forgive nearly any offense. Titania would only have to give a teary eyed forgive me please and Jen would be happy to count her as a friend. > [@Shalmanese](#): > > I think my main frustration with the series as a whole is it can never seem to pin down what world it wants to live in, it’s a mix of hyper-realistic examination of how feminism intersects with misogyny in the modern world and tropey comic book logic … My WAG is that is exactly the world it wants to live in. It is an absurdist farcical lightweight bit of fluffy sitcom, that has some significant exploration of those feminism, misogyny, and more serious issues, wrapped inside that slice of Velveeta for we good dogs to swallow, taking the medicine we might not as willingly swallow otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/416 "2022-09-29T17:33:37Z")
Well, I did want more D/E-list Marvel characters, and you don’t get more D & E-list than Man-Bull, El Aguila and Saracen. Having never seen Aguila and Man-Bull together in the comics, I’d never even considered the Bull/Matador comedy potential, and now I want _them_ to have their own series… or at least a one-shot. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/417 "2022-09-29T17:53:00Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > I find it incredibly unrealistic that any woman could meet someone that tried to attack them on the street a few nights ago and somehow become best buds with that person a half hour later because they talked a bunch about how they are now working on themselves. Power dynamics are weird, and that’s part of what this show is exploring. The construction workers posed zero threat to Jen. For her, being friendly with her attacker would be like you or me being friendly with a toddler who recently threw a tantrum and pooped on our rug. On the other hand, women **are** often made to feel that they have to be cordial to their abusers. The intersection of fictional female superempowerment with real-world issues is pretty dang interesting. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/418 "2022-09-29T18:44:22Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Having never seen Aguila and Man-Bull together in the comics, I’d never even considered the Bull/Matador comedy potential, and now I want _them_ to have their own series… or at least a one-shot. There was a minor Daredevil villain actually called the Matador, who might make a better foil for Man-Bull. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/419 "2022-09-29T23:21:38Z")
That guy might have been referenced here. His big move was trying to……blind Daredevil with his cape. I do wish we’d heard more about WHY that guy just attacked Jen. You’d think she would ask. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/420 "2022-09-30T02:45:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Despite being a lawyer, and a Hulk, Jen is mostly conflict avoidant, and wants to be liked by everyone, pretty desperate for approval, to the point of being the go-to door mat during the wedding episode. It occurs to me that aomeone who is conflict-avoidant might really like being a lawyer since the kind of conflict encountered in the courtroom is structured and generally ends on schedule (unlike personal conflict). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591/421 "2022-09-30T02:56:00Z")
Here’s my educated guess on who’s behind the Intelligencia website, and who’s been after Jen’s blood: [The Leader](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_(character)#Film). He appeared in the 2008 _The Incredible Hulk_, is supposed to be appearing in the 2024 film _Captain America: New World Order_. In the comics, The Leader is a member of a supervillian group, all of whom are known for being criminal geniuses, which is called…Intelligencia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-hulk-attorney-at-law/964591.md?page=22)