# She may be dumb as a post and ugly, but there's always a man willing to buy her body **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 17, 2006, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813 "2006-07-17T04:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/21 "2006-07-17T22:44:40Z")
> [@Sunrazor](#): > > No female human being really prefers fucking for money to working with her clothes on. I look forward to reviewing the research you conducted in which you asked every single female human being who ever lived whether she preferd working with clothes to fucking for money. > [@Sunrazor](#): > > I’ve interviewed dozens of prostitutes, done newspaper and magazine articles on the subject, never once found a hooker who said that, as a child, she’d dreamed of being buttfucked by three complete strangers a week so she could drive an expensive car and live in a tony apartment. So what? How many of us grow up to do our childhood dream job? How many kids dreamed of being accountants or sewer workers or waitresses? > [@Sunrazor](#): > > Using another human being as a sex toy just isn’t funny. It isn’t acceptable. It isn’t moral, in any way, shape or form. Nothing like a little moral absolutism to brighten up my day. I’m always amazed at the level of ignorance people on this board insist on clinging to when it comes to sex work. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/22 "2006-07-17T23:00:15Z")
> [@mamboman](#): > > “For as little as $10 to $20, men can get some \*\*Salisbury hookers \*\* to do anything they want. Some even accept a mere hit of crack cocaine or a few ounces of heroin for their services.” (bolding mine) So is a salisbury hooker, like, an inexpensive hooker smothered in brown gravy? Mmmm…salisbury hooker…[/Homer Simpson] 😛 ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/23 "2006-07-17T23:02:42Z")
> [@Sunrazor](#): > > Back during the late 1980s and early 1990s, we saw story after story about how we needed to update our view of prostitution; whores needed benefits, health care, protection and dignity (whaaa???) A group called Come Off Your Old, Tired Ethics (COYOTE) made a lot of noise about decriminalizing and regulating prostitution, saying it was a “victimless” crime. Even my beloved Razorette pooh-poohed the idea that prostitutes usually were optionless women or girls who were coerced or cajoled into the trade. > > Nowadays, we’re seeing more references to prostitutes as the victims of the crime; stories abound about runaways being recruited coerced into hooking, and we’re hearing more and more about sex slavery. Granted, but criminalizing prostitution only makes them criminals as well, which means they are able to be victimized even more. For a lot of these women, the only thing that keeps a john from beating them up is a pimp, and that pimp’s only interest is maximizing the income he gets from her. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/24 "2006-07-17T23:23:16Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I look forward to reviewing the research you conducted in which you asked every single female human being who ever lived whether she preferd working with clothes to fucking for money. In fact, a friend of mine worked as a call girl for about 18 months. She has no regrets about it. She thoroughly enjoyed it. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/25 "2006-07-18T00:40:39Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > In fact, a friend of mine worked as a call girl for about 18 months. She has no regrets about it. She thoroughly enjoyed it. Well obviously she was a pathetic lying loser with no sense of self-worth. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/26 "2006-07-18T00:40:42Z")
I’ve met and chatted with a number of hookers and none of them seemed miserable. Some actually like pimps who treat them fairly. And by fairly I mean that they screen the johns, physically protect them, and pay them a fair wage. They’re not all the dregs of humanity. There is a documentary about the sex video industry that is very interesting. While there are always some people who don’t belong in the business, there are many who DO. They do their job well and love doing it. They’re paid well. It’s the same as prostitution, but safer, more lucrative, and legal. I’m not condoning sex worker slavery by any stretch. But it simply isn’t true that all prostitution is bad or that all it’s participants are miserable. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/27 "2006-07-18T08:14:21Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Well obviously she was a pathetic lying loser with no sense of self-worth. Oh, of course. A few jobs later, she’s been working in higher education for upwards of 20 years, and that after doing law enforcement work as a graphologist. Reeks of effacement, I tells ya. Not a day goes by she doesn’t wish she’d done something better with her life. But the difference between her and some others is that she was not forced into it, nor was she forced to remain in it. She went into it for reasons I don’t remember just now, and left for reasons which escape me, but which I was at one point told. It wouldn’t be first on my list of professions to enter into, but not everyone who does it ends up as the feature of the cited article has. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/28 "2006-07-18T13:59:41Z")
Otto, thank you. I disagree with the poster too. If I could have sex with pretty people, and get well payed for it I sure would be happy to do it. And I doubt that every single female feels different about it than me. And also, I love this: > [@](#): > > When I was a crazy homeless guy, ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/29 "2006-07-18T14:04:10Z")
> [@Triskadecamus](#): > > When I was a crazy homeless guy. . . So, now that I am done making jokes about taking advantage of the poor hooker, I have a serious question. What happened for you that got you out of being a crazy homeless guy (well, homeless at least ;)) that didn’t happen for them? And I don’t mean that in a “she’s there because she wants to be be” tone either. I really want to know. \*\*OneCentStamp \*\* - I think those were the kind of hookers Dahmer picked up. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/30 "2006-07-18T14:18:37Z")
Beware: wildly inappropriate joke forthcoming. > [@The Daily Times](#): > > “I’ve always been on the bottom. I can get from my feet to my knees, but I can’t get above that. How do I get above that?” she said. In your line of work, you really don’t need to get above your knees. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/31 "2006-07-18T15:44:00Z")
> [@ShelliBean](#): > > I have a serious question. What happened for you that got you out of being a crazy homeless guy (well, homeless at least ;)) that didn’t happen for them? And I don’t mean that in a “she’s there because she wants to be be” tone either. I really want to know. Basically, I wandered into a different political jurisdiction, which responded to my absence of motion, and affect by taking me to the hospital. There I was treated, first with drugs, then with therapeutic methods of various types. Although I had a relapse some months later, a second round of the same types of treatment, and some more careful after care planning, I got better. I got a whole lot better, in fact, although not all at once. That was 1977 through 78. I have been off drugs of both medical and recreational sorts since 93. It was a long trip, and it cost me a lot. I am doing quite well, now, thanks. Some (well, two actually) of the girls I knew availed themselves of social services, both private and public that I told them about. An organization called “The House of Ruth” saved their lives. Most of the rest of them either died, or got better, or got old. I didn’t keep track much, since part of my after care plan was not to hang around with folks who had been a part of that time in my life. Cold hearted, but very good advice. So, everyone should send money to the [House of Ruth](http://www.hruth.org/engine/content.do) ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/32 "2006-07-18T20:19:13Z")
So every once in a while the system works? Well, I feel kinda like a shit for the “still crazy” implication. I meant it to be humorous as “a nutty guy” and not as “a mentally ill person” - shit, I said nutty. Anyway, I’m glad it worked for you and got the help you needed. Now, about me pushing the foot in my mouth around, uh, hey look! Over there! \ ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/33 "2006-07-18T22:23:22Z")
> [@ShelliBean](#): > > Well, I feel kinda like a shit for the “still crazy” implication. I meant it to be humorous as “a nutty guy” and not as “a mentally ill person” - shit, I said nutty. Don’t feel badly. I am the one who first said “Crazy homeless guy” anyway. Part of becoming better is learning what things about you are insane. The worst part of over the edge is that you don’t even know which way is back. It was long ago, and anyway, I used to answer the pay phone in the hospital by saying, “Nut House!” until one of the nurses pointed out to me that not everyone had told all their contacts where they were calling from. Tris ---
**Author:** ![tashabot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tashabot/32/6250_2.png) [@tashabot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tashabot)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2006, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/34 "2006-07-18T22:42:04Z")
> [@Sunrazor](#): > > No female human being really prefers fucking for money to working with her clothes on. Legal or illegal prostitutes? Because the women at the Bunnyranch not only love their jobs (for the most part - you always have someone who hates their job, in every environment) but make a looooooot of fucking money. One of the girls there had never been to a Wal-Mart. There was another girl who had just turned eighteen and instantly got a job at the Bunnyranch because she likes sex and wanted to get rich at it. Personally, as horrible as it is that a person gets into a situation like illegal prostitution (and being from Nevada I feel I need to make that distinction) they’re hurting themselves and maybe their johns if they get infected with an STD. I’d rather someone whore themselves off for crack (and of course, this is a blatant generalization) rather than steal someone’s shit or beat someone up and take their shit. Not that that doesn’t happen in tandem with prostitution, but I’d hazard a guess that it usually happens to the prostitutes. Then again, what a person does with their body is really their own business. ~Tasha ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/35 "2006-07-19T02:16:35Z")
Originally Posted by Sunrazor > [@](#): > > Now, let’s talk about pornography … What happened to the talking about pornography? That is also a good conversation topic. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/36 "2006-07-19T07:29:53Z")
> [@tashabot](#): > > Then again, what a person does with their body is really their own business. Why do you hate America? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/37 "2006-07-19T08:11:32Z")
> [@tashabot](#): > > Legal or illegal prostitutes? Because the women at the Bunnyranch not only love their jobs (for the most part - you always have someone who hates their job, in every environment) but make a looooooot of fucking money. Well, quite. ---
**Author:** ![Sunrazor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sunrazor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunrazor)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/38 "2006-07-19T14:25:27Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > I’ve met and chatted with a number of hookers and none of them seemed miserable. Some actually like pimps who treat them fairly. And by fairly I mean that they screen the johns, physically protect them, and pay them a fair wage. They’re not all the dregs of humanity. > > There is a documentary about the sex video industry that is very interesting. While there are always some people who don’t belong in the business, there are many who DO. They do their job well and love doing it. They’re paid well. It’s the same as prostitution, but safer, more lucrative, and legal. > > I’m not condoning sex worker slavery by any stretch. But it simply isn’t true that all prostitution is bad or that all it’s participants are miserable. And, by that reasoning, drug addiction isn’t bad, as long as you enjoy it and you can still function in society, which a lot of drug addicts can. Nice try, **Otto** , but there’s a difference between moral absolutism and self-evident truth. “Look, Mom, I made $170,000 last year on my back, and Uncle Bill is one of my best customers! My brother only made $70,000 as an accountant.” “Yes, dear, we’re so proud! Bill says you’re a better whore than your brother is at accounting. And you seem so happy!” In what world, dear **Otto**? In what world do you live!? ---
**Author:** ![Sunrazor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sunrazor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunrazor)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/39 "2006-07-19T14:52:15Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > Originally Posted by Sunrazor > What happened to the talking about pornography? That is also a good conversation topic. 😃 Pornography (having sexual intercourse for pay) = prostitution. Short discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813/40 "2006-07-19T15:54:24Z")
> [@Sunrazor](#): > > Nice try, **Otto** , but there’s a difference between moral absolutism and self-evident truth. Cleary, since your premise is invalidated by the existence of just one happy hooker, your alleged “truth” about sex workers is not only not self-evident, it’s a patent falsehood. > [@Sunrazor](#): > > In what world do you live!? Unfortunately I live in a world where the self-righteous among us are wrapped up in their delusions of right and wrong and they have the power to impose those delusions on the rest of us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-may-be-dumb-as-a-post-and-ugly-but-theres-always-a-man-willing-to-buy-her-body/364813.md?page=3)