# ''She told me that I was being selfish and didn't care about her **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 11, 2026, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357 "2026-03-11T04:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/41 "2026-03-11T20:56:41Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > It’s one thing if I’m deathly allergic to something and the host flaunts it to my face (and risks my life in doing so). But most vegans are ideological or health ones, not because they’re actually allergic to the foods. Eh, I’m Jewish. I do not keep kosher, but i routinely accommodate people who do. I can accommodate vegans just as easily. I guess, as a picky eater, i also pride myself in being able to offer my guests foods they can safely enjoy. I would be annoyed by a guest who wanted to direct the menu for everyone, but i appreciate learning what each guest needs to be comfortable dining at my table. > [@Reply](#): > > That group has had _way_ more success in pragmatically spreading vegan foods than I think groups like PETA ever did. I bet. That’s totally brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/42 "2026-03-11T20:57:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Re: The tofu. If you have an Asian grocery store near you, they’ll often have vegan sauces and packets that are easy to add onto tofu, like [mabo tofu](https://www.flavorofjapan.com/products/mabo-tofu/) or [golden curry](https://www.sbfoods-worldwide.com/lp/us/golden-curry/), or a variety of other Thai/Indian/Chinese/Japanese dipping sauces and marinades. Pro tip: If the nutrition facts show any grams of cholesterol at all, it’s not vegan (dietary cholesterol only comes from animal products). The inverse may not be true, though, i.e., products with 0 cholesterol may still have non-vegan ingredients. Anyway, personally I find plain tofu to be one of the hardest things to cook well. It’s just a blob of nondescript tasteless protein on its own and generally needs to be cooked and/or seasoned well to have any chance of being tasty. (As an exception, though, the Japanese like [cold tofu with soy sauce](https://www.justonecookbook.com/japanese-tofu-cold-tofu-hiyayakko/)… you can find and try that at any ramen restaurant) You can get partially cooked and preseasoned baked tofu, e.g. from [Trader Joe’s](https://www.traderjoes.com/home/products/pdp/organic-baked-tofu-teriyaki-flavor-030758) and [WildWood](https://wildwoodfoods.com/products/wildwood-baked-savory-tofu/), which can be a easier to work with. I also have a bazillion vegan cookbooks I could send you if you really want to try your hand at it. Not that they ever helped me, lol… ---
**Author:** ![jjakucyk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@jjakucyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjakucyk)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/43 "2026-03-11T21:07:05Z")
One of my favorite meals is pasta marinara. I usually have a side salad and boiled or sautéed vegetables with it. As long as I use olive oil instead of butter for the vegetables, and don’t put parmesan cheese on the pasta, then the whole meal is incidentally vegan. It’s no good if you’re trying to go carb-lite, but it’s not a meal I would classify as “cooking vegan” either. A specific AITA situation I recall was kind of a flip-flop of the OP example. Instead of the person with dietary choices insisting on a special menu that everyone else must also eat, this person was instead admonished for bringing their own food and either eating it at the table or going into the kitchen to eat it, I can’t recall. I tend to lean more towards these situations being genuine, even if a bit slanted, because so often the scenarios seem too bizarre to be made up. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/44 "2026-03-11T21:07:12Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > If you have an Asian grocery store near you I’d have to go down to Bellingham, or up to Canada. > [@Reply](#): > > It’s just a blob of nondescript tasteless protein on its own and generally needs to be cooked and/or seasoned well to have any chance of being tasty. I’ve had luck with family-style tofu. > [@Reply](#): > > You can get partially cooked and preseasoned baked tofu, e.g. from [Trader Joe’s](https://www.traderjoes.com/home/products/pdp/organic-baked-tofu-teriyaki-flavor-030758) I’ve seen it there, but haven’t tried it. (The tofu I’m making today is from TJ’s.) > [@Reply](#): > > I also have a bazillion vegan cookbooks I could send you if you really want to try your hand at it. I only know two vegetarians IRL. (He’s ovo-lacto, and she’s pesco-ovo-lacto.) I don’t know any vegans. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/45 "2026-03-11T21:08:32Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Eh, I’m Jewish. I do not keep kosher, but i routinely accommodate people who do. I can accommodate vegans just as easily. Your friends are lucky 🙂 A yoga teacher friend of mine was culturally Jewish but doesn’t generally keep kosher either. For Hanukkah she made me (just me! that’s how awesome she was) some vegan latkes, my first experience with them. Still the best potato-y food I’ve ever had! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/46 "2026-03-11T21:12:40Z")
My father’s recipe for latkes requires chicken fat. 😉 And an egg. But I’ve made them with goose fat, instead, and honestly, they would be fine with just peanut oil, and some other binder instead of the egg. The egg doesn’t really important any flavor. (The chicken fat does, but it’s not as if there aren’t other delicious fats.) ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/47 "2026-03-11T21:12:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I’d have to go down to Bellingham, or up to Canada. Safeway (is that a thing where you live?) often have them too in the “ethnic” aisle, but that’s probably a regional thing. Not all of them even have an ethnic aisle, I think? > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > family-style tofu What exactly is “family-style” tofu…? I thought you just meant homemade at first, but is it actually a particular dish? > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I’ve seen it there, but haven’t tried it. I mean, it’s not going to beat a good burger or fried chicken, but it’s much better than the nondescript beige blob of uncooked unseasoned tofu… strictly IMHO 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/48 "2026-03-11T21:16:21Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Anyway, personally I find plain tofu to be one of the hardest things to cook well. It’s just a blob of nondescript tasteless protein on its own and generally needs to be cooked and/or seasoned well to have any chance of being tasty. (As an exception, though, the Japanese like [cold tofu with soy sauce](https://www.justonecookbook.com/japanese-tofu-cold-tofu-hiyayakko/)… you can find and try that at any ramen restaurant) The very best tofu I’ve ever had was in Japan. It was freshly made. It was mild, but delicious, like a vegan pudding or junket. I realized as i ate it that every other piece of tofu I’d ever encountered was a little stale. I probably dipped it in a bit of sour sauce, i don’t recall. I just remember being overwhelmed at how tasty plain old tofu could be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/49 "2026-03-11T21:21:57Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Safeway Heh. I was just at Safeway yesterday. Lucerne cottage cheese is pretty good, but I wish they carried Knudsen like they did in SoCal. > [@Reply](#): > > What exactly is “family-style” tofu…? I thought you just meant homemade at first, but is it actually a particular dish? When I worked in Orange, there was a teriyaki/Chinese takeout within walking distance. They had a dish called ‘family-style tofu’ that I loved. Here is a Google search for [“family-style tofu” Jiachang Doufu recipe](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22family-style+tofu%22%C2%A0Jiachang+Doufu+recipe&num=10&client=safari&hs=Cc&sca_esv=663206272e2400e5&rls=en&sxsrf=ANbL-n5DRZy4m__jpSHRFJ-RlYEjHxgxpg%3A1773263710656&ei=XtuxaYjiJ6vk0PEPvYnc4QQ&biw=1491&bih=936&ved=0ahUKEwiIicSM4piTAxUrMjQIHb0EN0wQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=%22family-style+tofu%22%C2%A0Jiachang+Doufu+recipe&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKiJmYW1pbHktc3R5bGUgdG9mdSLCoEppYWNoYW5nIERvdWZ1IHJlY2lwZTIHECEYoAEYCjIHECEYoAEYCjIHECEYoAEYCjIHECEYoAEYCkjKFFD7A1jWEnABeAGQAQCYAXSgAfsGqgEDNC41uAEDyAEA-AEB-AECmAIKoAKsB8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAgYQABgWGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirApgDAIgGAZAGCJIHAzQuNqAHkiOyBwMzLja4B6cHwgcHMC4yLjcuMcgHI4AIAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp). The AI overview, which includes a recipe, says: > Jiachang Doufu (Family-Style Tofu) is a classic Sichuan dish featuring pan-fried tofu, savory fermented bean paste (doubanjiang), and vegetables simmered together for a flavorful, hearty meal. The key is using firm tofu, pan-frying it until golden, and creating a thick, savory sauce with garlic, ginger, and scallions. The search results also return a SDMB thread by @NoCoolUserName, Feb. 2009: [Recipe needed: Jiachang dofu (Family style tofu)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recipe-needed-jiachang-dofu-family-style-tofu/486329). > [@Reply](#): > > I mean, it’s not going to beat a good burger or fried chicken… Sometimes not-meat is the thing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/50 "2026-03-11T21:30:23Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > The very best tofu I’ve ever had was in Japan. It was freshly made Really? I once lived by and volunteered for a [local tofu shop](https://www.tofushop.com/) (in the US) and even fresh from the factory, I didn’t particularly like plain white tofu. It’s like eating eggwhites doused in soymilk. Their flavored tofus, spreads, and soy-sage patties were great, though. Maybe I’m just picky about my flavors and textures, or maybe the Japanese one really WAS that much better? I’d believe it… I never once had a bad meal in Japan… even their 7-11 foods were way better than most of what I could get stateside. But still, if I were in Japan, I probably wouldn’t waste a meal on just plain tofu 🙂 > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Here is a Google search for [“family-style tofu” Jiachang Doufu recipe](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22family-style+tofu%22%C2%A0Jiachang+Doufu+recipe&num=10&client=safari&hs=Cc&sca_esv=663206272e2400e5&rls=en&sxsrf=ANbL-n5DRZy4m__jpSHRFJ-RlYEjHxgxpg%3A1773263710656&ei=XtuxaYjiJ6vk0PEPvYnc4QQ&biw=1491&bih=936&ved=0ahUKEwiIicSM4piTAxUrMjQIHb0EN0wQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=%22family-style+tofu%22%C2%A0Jiachang+Doufu+recipe&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKiJmYW1pbHktc3R5bGUgdG9mdSLCoEppYWNoYW5nIERvdWZ1IHJlY2lwZTIHECEYoAEYCjIHECEYoAEYCjIHECEYoAEYCjIHECEYoAEYCkjKFFD7A1jWEnABeAGQAQCYAXSgAfsGqgEDNC41uAEDyAEA-AEB-AECmAIKoAKsB8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAgYQABgWGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirApgDAIgGAZAGCJIHAzQuNqAHkiOyBwMzLja4B6cHwgcHMC4yLjcuMcgHI4AIAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) Huh, interesting. I’ve definitely seen and maybe even eaten similar dishes at Chinese restaurants, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it called that. (It kinda resembles “[Buddha’s delight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha%27s_delight)”?) Looks tasty. I’ve never been able to cook as well as any Chinese restaurant though… probably don’t have a wok hot enough? Then again, you could give my aunt nothing more than a warm car roof and she’d still make an amazing meal. Excuses, excuses… ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/51 "2026-03-11T21:56:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The context of the AITA posts is this: Someone is making Thanksgiving (for example) dinner, and family is invited. An in-law announces that she (it’s always a she) has made dietary choices (as opposed to medical choices or religious requirements) about the food she can consume. The host will offer accommodating options, but the SIL (or whomever) will insist that she have a special menu and that everybody else must eat the same menu. e.g., Nobody else can have turkey, because she won’t eat turkey. I’ve seen ones in the other direction as well, where the meat eaters are offended if the v-an brings their own food, or doesn’t eat anything because the host deliberately put animal products in literally everything on tha table. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Put simply, how far would you go to accommodate someone? How much is too much? I don’t feel like I go very far- we make sure there is a main dish that doesn’t contain meat. Depending on which people are there, it may have cheese. We make easy modifications to side dishes - for example, we don’t add butter to the corn or we put some sweet potatoes in a different container and leave out the marshmallows. My brother’s three kids are three of the non-meat eaters - and my brother and his ex-wife are the assholes. Someone asked my brother once what his son would like for a holiday dinner - my brother said “He’ll be fine with salad and spaghetti with garlic and oil”. Sure, while everyone else is eating all kinds of seafood we’re going to give him salad and spaghetti. His sister was overjoyed one time when I made a meatless lasagna and took the half-tray that was left over home with her. She had never eaten lasagna in her memory because her mother always made it with meat- although at any given time two of her three kids didn’t eat meat. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2026, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/52 "2026-03-11T22:21:50Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > I’ve seen ones in the other direction as well, where the meat eaters are offended if the v-an brings their own food, or doesn’t eat anything because the host deliberately put animal products in literally everything on tha table. Of course. I’ve seen those ones too. Somehow this thread has focused on vegans who demand that the hosts accommodate them. But sometimes the hosts are the ones being unreasonable when, as you say, people with different dietary needs or choices accommodate themselves. Or cases where a host makes a specific dish/dessert for someone with a restricted diet, and the other guests eat it all before the one the food was made for could have any. I’ve read ones where a mother-in-law intentionally put, say, nuts into a dish, and then ‘forgets’ to tell their son’s allergic wife about them. (‘I thought she was faking, and just being picky!’) > [@doreen](#): > > or we put some sweet potatoes in a different container and leave out the marshmallows. I really dislike orange sweet potatoes (‘yams’) with marshmallows. I prefer white sweet potatoes with some butter. (If I’m ever invited over. 😉 ) One accommodation I remember was when I went to a party in Hollywood. Someone in the Biz, named Rothstien, had a sign on his cupboard: ‘Please do not use the plates in this cupboard. They are KOSHER. There are paper plates on the counter for your vile pork-infested products.’ And there was a cartoon of a pig’s face with a tear coming out of one eye. The pig said, ‘\*sniff\* God made me, too. And boy, was He good!’ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/53 "2026-03-12T00:37:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Re: The tofu. I’ve sliced it into triangles and put them in a bag with some olive oil soy sauce, and a little sriracha. I baked the tofu, and then made a stir-fry with bok choy, green onion, carrot sticks, a few cloves of garlic (chopped/minced), and some ginger out of a jar. Oh, and a handful of whole cashews. I made a sauce of two tablespoons of water with 1 tablespoon of oyster sauce mixed in. My wife says, ‘You can make this again!’ /hijack ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/54 "2026-03-12T23:07:58Z")
Relevant bit from the ongoing thread on Morrissey concert cancellation: > [@](#): > > A year later he [refused to perform at a festival in Reykjavik](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31109638) after the organisers denied his request that no meat be served during the event. “But I shall leave the Harpa Concert Hall to their cannibalistic flesh-eating bloodlust.” ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2026, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/55 "2026-03-13T00:41:32Z")
Never heard of him or The Smiths. Were they famous? Did he get away with that demand at all the venues he played at? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2026, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/56 "2026-03-13T01:14:28Z")
Not my favorite group, but the Smiths have had a large following. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2026, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/57 "2026-03-13T02:20:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It being a vegan, a woman, and an in-law isn’t by accident. It’s never someone they really care about, a core member of the family. The host is always willing to give some accommodations while the vegan wants more and is some big jerk. They use words like “selfish” and and treat you badly. In my experience, most people with food restrictions are good and handling it without trying to be a burden on others. I’ve only had a handful of bad experiences with obnoxious people who expected everyone around them to cater to their restrictions. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2026, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/58 "2026-03-13T02:37:41Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Never heard of him or The Smiths. They will change your life! …no, wait, that’s the Shins. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2026, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/59 "2026-03-13T02:40:29Z")
I think you mean The Shaggs. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2026, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357/60 "2026-03-13T02:47:00Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Never heard of him or The Smiths. Were they famous? Uh yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/she-told-me-that-i-was-being-selfish-and-didnt-care-about-her/1028357.md?page=2)