# Sheep go to heaven; Goats go to hell, or Scott\_plaid's very own atheism thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379 "2005-03-01T02:22:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/61 "2005-03-02T00:50:29Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > On the other hand, **Excalibre** , you and the rest of the sensible Atheists around here have my sympathies. I know what it feels like to say, “We’re not all like that” and even find myself wishing that maybe the person in question could go over to the other side. Sorry. You can keep this one. _I_ don’t want him! 😃 Aww, but on the other hand, he reminds theist and atheist alike how much we have in common. 🙂 Too bad the dude hasn’t lurked enough to see just how great some of the Christians around here are, since he doesn’t seem to have met many in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/62 "2005-03-02T10:19:19Z")
Has anyone used the phrase “Jack Chick of Atheism” in this thread yet? Just askin’ ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/63 "2005-03-02T13:20:52Z")
Oh, hardy-har-har. Got it. Look, like I said in [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5898914&postcount=57](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5898914&postcount=57) I’m looking in the back archives to see how discussions have faired in the past. As people have noted, I ended seem to be unable to see the point of a philosophy that has been responsible for so many dead, but I am looking through the back archives of great discussion, to see how conflicts have gone in the past. I have lurked hear quite a bit, but I should have done so in this forum, instead of in Cafe Society. I seem to do fine (mostly) in there, so perhaps I will stay out of Great Debates and The Pit entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/64 "2005-03-02T13:52:17Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I have lurked hear quite a bit, but I should have done so in this forum, instead of in Cafe Society. I seem to do fine (mostly) in there, so perhaps I will stay out of Great Debates and The Pit entirely. An excellent idea. There may be hope for you yet. Understand that the standards for discourse and general behavior vary widely from forum to forum, and you’re halfway there. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/65 "2005-03-02T13:55:22Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I ended seem to be unable to see the point of a philosophy that has been responsible for so many dead, but I am looking through the back archives of great discussion, to see how conflicts have gone in the past. Ever studied history? Some of the best and brightest among the mass murder crowd have been atheists - Stalin and Mao to name two easy examples. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/66 "2005-03-02T15:09:46Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Ever studied history? Some of the best and brightest among the mass murder crowd have been atheists - Stalin and Mao to name two easy examples. Yup, they sure did kill alot of people. They did so because they wanted power. Not because they atheists. Power, plain and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/67 "2005-03-02T15:12:10Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Yup, they sure did kill alot of people. They did so because they wanted power. Not because they atheists. Power, plain and simple. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/68 "2005-03-02T15:24:31Z")
> [@Genghis Bob](#): > > Cite? The fact that there is no “Big Book of Atheism” saying that you must kill your enemies. Any desire they had to kill people must have come from themselves as opposed to a philosophy. Common sense. That’s my cite. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/69 "2005-03-02T15:31:32Z")
I suppose that is is possible to say that Authoritarianism has killed more people than democracy ever did, however. That would not be the same thing, but it does sound like it makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/70 "2005-03-02T15:38:53Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > The fact that there is no “Big Book of Atheism” saying that you must kill your enemies. Any desire they had to kill people must have come from themselves as opposed to a philosophy. Common sense. That’s my cite. “You must, therefore, confess that by ‘individual’ you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” — Karl Marx, _The Manifesto of the Communist Party_ “Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism. Our propaganda necessarily includes propaganda for atheism.” — Vladimir Lenin, _History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union_ ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/71 "2005-03-02T15:58:24Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > “Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism. Our propaganda necessarily includes propaganda for atheism.” — Vladimir Lenin, _History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union_ A little while ago, I was told that the holocaust occurred without the leaders being christian. I was enraged. In response I posted quotes from the top National Socialist himself, Adolf Hitler, stating that he was a christian. It didn’t work. I believe that he was a christian, he’s a christian, but it was pointed out to me that he can say whatever he wants, in order for the populace to go along with it. Same here. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/72 "2005-03-02T20:14:05Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > A little while ago, I was told that the holocaust occurred without the leaders being christian. I was enraged. In response I posted quotes from the top National Socialist himself, Adolf Hitler, stating that he was a christian. It didn’t work. I believe that he was a christian, he’s a christian, but it was pointed out to me that he can say whatever he wants, in order for the populace to go along with it. Same here. If nothing else, you are forcing me to think — to maintain a state of intellectual alertness. I realize now that I’m going to have to keep my wits about me in order to discern your arguments from a monkey scratching its ass and sniffing its fingers. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/73 "2005-03-02T20:25:26Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > a monkey scratching its ass and sniffing its fingers. What a coincidence. I do that do. Now, really, I am a guest here. I cannot see each and every one of your past post since I can not access your profile. Thus, I do not know how closely you follow the exact wording of the bible. If you like to argue, would you like to post your stance here? Failing that would you like to respond to post 29? In it, I asked you to dissect the posts you mentioned in post 25. P.S. I have lurked, but besides the fact that you consider yourself a non typical fundamentalist, I can’t tell all that much about you. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/74 "2005-03-02T20:39:33Z")
Ugh! Will someone _please_ let this thread die a natural death? It is sliding into the “painful and saddening” malebolges now… number nine, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/75 "2005-03-02T20:42:49Z")
> [@](#): > > besides the fact that you consider yourself a non typical fundamentalist, I can’t tell all that much about you. So address the issues instead of the person. The reason that people pointed out that some of your adversaries were not Fundamentalists, earlier, was that you were attacking them based on a presumption that they were Fundamentalists. However, you have still failed to understand the actual dynamics of this Forum. If you have been having some success in **Cafe Society** , then perhaps you should limit yourself to that Forum until you can handle yourself outside it. Regarding your persistence in viewing Hitler as a Christian: you are demonstrating an abysmal ignorance of history. Quote mining will not provide the overview you need to understand why you are wrong. Go read some history and biography on Hitler (as opposed to a single web site with an agenda and a list of selected “quotations”) until you understand just _why_ you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/76 "2005-03-02T20:49:20Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Regarding your persistence in viewing Hitler as a Christian: you are demonstrating an abysmal ignorance of history. Quote mining will not provide the overview you need to understand why you are wrong. Go read some history and biography on Hitler (as opposed to a single web site with an agenda and a list of selected “quotations”) until you understand just _why_ you are wrong. I admitted they were right in post 71 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5901555&postcount=71](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5901555&postcount=71) Hitler’s quotes don’t prove anything to my point. However, as long as Liberal is still listening to this thread, I would like his criticism on what I have said. He doesn’t have to, for I cannot order anyone to do anything. I am simply requesting info. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/77 "2005-03-02T22:14:20Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I am simply requesting info. You are simply being passive-aggressive. Let me preemptively respond to your next post: fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/78 "2005-03-02T22:18:31Z")
Well, It’s a free word. With free speech. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/79 "2005-03-02T23:01:52Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > The fact that there is no “Big Book of Atheism” saying that you must kill your enemies. Any desire they had to kill people must have come from themselves as opposed to a philosophy. Common sense. That’s my cite. The “Big Book” of my religion explicitly states one is to love one’s neighbors, as well as God and says explicitly “Love your enemies; do good to those who hate you; bless those who curse you. . . . If you love only those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. Again, if you do good only to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do as much. . . . But you must love your enemies and do good.” Those are supposed to be the words of the Man who founded my religion. Still, people have killed in the name of that faith and continue to do so. Human nature. That’s _my_ cite. As for the passage quoted above, you might want to check out Chapter 6 in the book of Luke sometime. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2005, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379/80 "2005-03-02T23:46:11Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Yup, they sure did kill alot of people. They did so because they wanted power. Not because they atheists. Power, plain and simple. Yep. Same as the religious folks. Let’s enumerate your flaws: you keep referring to “theists” as “deists”, even though Deism refers to a specific religious concept (and one that is, so far as I know, dead.) You don’t know shit about the religions you’re condemning, as your statements about the Catholic Church have demonstrated. And your condemnations have the depth of reasoning behind them that an eight-year-old uses when they tell their parents “I hate you” because they don’t want to go to bed. Kudos, though, on managing a whole post without any glaring grammatical or spelling errors. This one was comprehensible! BTW, you demonstrate your ignorance of Christianity (yet again!) when you assume that, since Liberal is Christian, he must be a fundamentalist. He is not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheep-go-to-heaven-goats-go-to-hell-or-scott_plaids-very-own-atheism-thread/292379.md?page=5)