# Sheriff Joe Arpaio says President Obama's birth certificate may be a fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492 "2012-03-01T22:23:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/81 "2012-03-17T11:53:08Z")
I believe there are people who, if they saw a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii, they would say it was faked. They seem so desparate to do anything they can to null his presidency, or do all they can to try to see that he will fail at all he does,and have done so (it seems) since the day he was sworn into office.That is their problem,not Obama’s! ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/82 "2012-03-17T12:32:07Z")
> [@spankthecrumpet](#): > > How sad for your country that a presumably savvy elected official can consider this a sensible political tactic Hey, how did our resident Isle of Man, er, resident get banned? Member since 2004, only a couple hundred posts…an interesting “ask the…” thread about living on the Isle Of Man and **poof** , ban-hammered. ---
**Author:** ![abbeytxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@abbeytxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abbeytxs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/83 "2012-03-17T14:03:19Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I believe there are people who, if they saw a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii, they would say it was faked. They seem so desparate to do anything they can to null his presidency, or do all they can to try to see that he will fail at all he does,and have done so (it seems) since the day he was sworn into office.That is their problem,not Obama’s! You just described my father in law to perfection. No amount of evidence will convince him that the President was born in the US. We have gone round and round over it and he finally just flat out stated that there is nothing that will change his mind and he refuses to believe anything other than what he wants to believe. I wish I could flat out ask him if it is because of race, but in the interest of family harmony, I just let it go. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/84 "2012-03-17T20:58:09Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I believe there are people who, if they saw a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii, they would say it was faked. To tell you the truth, if I saw such a film, I would also think it was faked. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/85 "2012-03-17T22:28:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo > Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! > > > [@mhendo](#): > > > > What does this mean? It sounds like something Joe Arpaio would say. Maybe it means there’s a deep quarry somewhere in Maricopa County down which Joe Arpaio could be thrown? ---
**Author:** ![flatlined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb9ed0/32.png) [@flatlined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flatlined)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/86 "2012-03-17T22:35:12Z")
We don’t do quarries in AZ. We do forgotten mine shafts. Of course, we don’t throw random stuff down them, just bodies and then enough rocks to cover them. In **SB** ’s case, I’d be willing to toss some shiney pennies down, then kick him in while he’s looking at them. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/87 "2012-03-17T22:41:56Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Hey, how did our resident Isle of Man, er, resident get banned? Member since 2004, only a couple hundred posts…an interesting “ask the…” thread about living on the Isle Of Man and **poof** , ban-hammered. We ask posters to email/PM a mod/Admin to ask questions about bannings. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/88 "2012-03-18T09:35:54Z")
What I found weird was that, when this first happened, this appeared on BBC headlines, under a title that acted like they actually took the news seriously (something like: “Obama’s long form birth Certificate a fake”). Yeah, they pulled it within 24 hours, but for a while the headline writers were clearly taking the side that something had actually been found. As for the other topic of this thread: Stick him on ignore and DNFTT. Not because it’ll make him stop, but ignore doesn’t work if you guys keep talking about it. Sucks that we have to use [Fark.com](http://Fark.com)’s “moderation techniques” on this board, but them’s the breaks. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/89 "2012-03-18T11:16:12Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > To tell you the truth, if I saw such a film, I would also think it was faked. You do know that ,that says more about you than Obama,don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/90 "2012-03-18T11:29:19Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > You do know that ,that says more about you than Obama,don’t you? :rolleyes: It would be faked; Obama was born in a hospital. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/91 "2012-03-18T11:50:50Z")
Honestly this has revealed an ugliness not so much about race really(everyone knew that was there) but about nationality and foreigness. Apparently some Americans actually believe that having a non-citizen father disqualifies someone from being natural born and the president. That being a dual citizen by birth disqualifies you from being a real American, as if Obama can help what Kenya thinks of him. That having a non-citizen step dad causes you to lose your US citizenship. That spending time overseas as a child causes you to lose your US citizenship. That traveling under another countries passport causes you to lose your US citizenship. Every single one of those is false and a claim I have seen various birthers make, and I cannot believe anyone could believe them. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/92 "2012-03-18T13:07:39Z")
Nah, McCain was born abroad and nobody cared. Dukakis was a first generation American and nobody cared. ---
**Author:** ![Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prelude_to_Fascination)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/93 "2012-03-18T13:34:04Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > The people who believe in this conspiracy have, I think, a notion this was all done on purpose, as a sort of satanic black mass. It’s not that there was this guy, Barack Obama, and he wanted to be president, but there were some irregularities with his citizenship and he covered them up. No, “they” knew this baby would run for president in 50 years, and deliberately spirited his mother out of the country so she could give birth to a non-citizen. Same thing with his religion. The whole point, in the birther’s minds, is to deliberately elect an un-American president to undermine America. Not because of the policies he would enact, mind you. But as a sort of black magic. The fact that America is headed by a phony president will sicken the land, like the Fisher King. My thought as I read your post was more like _The Boys From Brazil_. But in this case, _they_ took one chance, rather than many, like in the story, and damn, it succeeded! But what if Obama had developed a childhood disease and died of mumps, or became autistic, or was born with a congenital heart defect, or died in a plane crash, or any of a thousand other scenarios? Obviously, _they_ are all-powerful, because _they_ had no backup plan (_that we know of_!) and so succeeded on their very first try! _They_ are to be feared! And since we don’t even know who _they_ are, _they_ could be anyone! Anywhere! Doing anything! We’re doomed! ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/94 "2012-03-18T13:55:24Z")
Mr. President, I’m sure you read The Dope, I am sorry these buttmunches won’t go away. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/95 "2012-03-18T16:03:25Z")
> [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](#): > > My thought as I read your post was more like _The Boys From Brazil_. But in this case, _they_ took one chance, rather than many, like in the story, and damn, it succeeded! But what if Obama had developed a childhood disease and died of mumps, or became autistic, or was born with a congenital heart defect, or died in a plane crash, or any of a thousand other scenarios? Obviously, _they_ are all-powerful, because _they_ had no backup plan (_that we know of_!) and so succeeded on their very first try! _They_ are to be feared! And since we don’t even know who _they_ are, _they_ could be anyone! Anywhere! Doing anything! We’re doomed! And how do we know that there was only one? There might be hundreds of them out there somewhere… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/96 "2012-03-18T16:20:01Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I believe there are people who, if they saw a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii, they would say it was faked. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > To tell you the truth, if I saw such a film, I would also think it was faked. > [@monavis](#): > > You do know that ,that says more about you than Obama,don’t you? > [@Frank](#): > > :rolleyes: > > It would be faked; Obama was born in a hospital. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/97 "2012-03-18T17:16:06Z")
Genius is pain. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/98 "2012-03-18T21:01:21Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > :rolleyes: > > It would be faked; Obama was born in a hospital. I took it to mean: “Of course it would have to be faked; baby Obama was born in Hawaii, not President Obama.” If I saw a video of President Obama being born (yeesh! how very uncomfortable it would have to be!) it would have to be faked! But maybe this says more about me than about the issue… ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/99 "2012-03-18T21:24:06Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What I found weird was that, when this first happened, this appeared on BBC headlines, under a title that acted like they actually took the news seriously (something like: “Obama’s long form birth Certificate a fake”). Yeah, they pulled it within 24 hours, but for a while the headline writers were clearly taking the side that something had actually been found. Could it have a been a link to Pravda? [Arizona sheriff finds Obama presidential qualifications forged](http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/07-03-2012/120708-arizona_sheriff_obama-0) > [@](#): > > Without doubt, this is a serious Law Enforcement Officer, not one to be taken in by tin-foil-hat wearing loons. Heh, sure… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/100 "2012-03-18T22:23:23Z")
I anxiously await the results of Sherriff Arpaio’s investigations into Area 51, the Armenian genocide and Piltdown Man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492.md?page=6)