# Sheriff Joe Arpaio says President Obama's birth certificate may be a fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492 "2012-03-01T22:23:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/121 "2012-03-20T14:48:01Z")
Yes, that’s true **Polycarp**. Especially galling is that Mt. Ararat, Armenia’s holiest site, is now in Turkey. However, when you said, “Actually, it’s worse than that,” what were you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/122 "2012-03-20T15:34:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > America has become an embarrassing cesspool of ignorance and hypocrisy. Chin up, **septimus**. At the same time we were fighting against the racism of Nazis, our capital city was entirely segregated. We’re actually getting better. Slowly. About at the rate of hater funerals. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/123 "2012-03-20T15:40:52Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Could you explain your response? You’ve missed that all the people saying a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii know that Obama was born in Hawaii, and _aren’t birthers._ The film would be a fake because Obama was born in a hospital, not on a beach (and one nit-picker pointed out he wasn’t born as president). You said: > [@](#): > > You do know that ,that says more about you than Obama,don’t you? \*\*Frank \*\*explained it to you, flat-out, very next post that Obama was born in a hospital. You responded: > [@](#): > > Perhaps if they find a birth certificate in some other country, but they haven’t, and his Mother would know where he was born, and since she was in Hawaii at the time of his birth, it would be hard to deliver him any where else! You’re just not getting it. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/124 "2012-03-20T16:28:53Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Armenian (well, I’m 25%) checking in here. Armenians have olive-tinged skin, but are Caucasians … Resident of Little Armenia checking in here. The most distinguishing feature of Armenians is the [tracksuit, worn for all occasions](http://www.bestbuy.am/en/products/item/76). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/125 "2012-03-20T16:34:13Z")
Look, if Obama gets a second term, and that’s the limit, then there’ll be no more point to all this birther shit, so it will all die down and go away, right? Please? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/126 "2012-03-20T16:49:49Z")
Hah! Good one. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/127 "2012-03-20T16:58:46Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Actually, its worse than that. Take a map of the Middle East and drop lines from the present (former Soviet) Republic of Armenia across eastern Turkey to roughly the point where Turkey, Syria, and the Mediterranean Sea come together. That wedge was formerly part of Greater Armenia – a mixed populace but plurality Armenian. (The smaller wedge to the southeast which it cuts off is part of what would be Kurdistan, along with the Iraqi and Iranian bits.) There are nearly no Armenians there now. While some few became refugees, to California or then-Russian Armenia, most were victims of the genocide. Is that why Turkey is so reluctant to own up to it? Territorial-claim implications? Armenia demanding Greater Armenia? And are there enough surviving Armenians lving on the territory in question to make trouble, demand union with Armenia? I doubt it, I’ve never heard of them doing so, at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/128 "2012-03-20T20:56:18Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You’ve missed that all the people saying a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii know that Obama was born in Hawaii, and _aren’t birthers._ There’s a clause missing from this sentence. > [@](#): > > You’re just not getting it. You’re not explaining it very well. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/129 "2012-03-20T21:03:37Z")
True enough. You’ve missed that all the people saying a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii would be fake - _know_ that Obama \*was \*born in Hawaii, and aren’t birthers. Did I really need to explain it, though? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/130 "2012-03-20T21:20:49Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Did I really need to explain it, though? With pictures, if you could. Thank you. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/131 "2012-03-20T22:53:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Is that why Turkey is so reluctant to own up to it? Territorial-claim implications? Armenia demanding Greater Armenia? And are there enough surviving Armenians lving on the territory in question to make trouble, demand union with Armenia? I doubt it, I’ve never heard of them doing so, at any rate. No. Contemplate the word _genocide_. There are few if any Armenians living there for the same reason that there were far fewer Jews living in Central Europe in 1945 than in 1935. Sorry if this seems to Godwinize the situation, but the point is that it _was_ a genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/132 "2012-03-21T03:33:51Z")
> [@bup](#): > > True enough. > > You’ve missed that all the people saying a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii would be fake - _know_ that Obama \*was \*born in Hawaii, and aren’t birthers. > > Did I really need to explain it, though? Um… This is the pit, so, I guess, I could be rude or snarky or whatever… But… Swear to God, I do not know what you point is, or why you wrote that nasty post about a remedial board for practice. When I first read it, I was appalled. It seemed pointlessly rude. It seemed pointlessly rude. And, as yet, I still don’t see what your point is. My point can, perhaps, be summed up as: “We’ll hang Joe Arpaio from a sour apple tree.” ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/133 "2012-03-21T05:04:12Z")
Just read through Arpaio’s wikipedia page. How is this guy not in jail? How is this guy REELECTED? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/134 "2012-03-21T05:12:51Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > Just read through Arpaio’s wikipedia page. How is this guy not in jail? How is this guy REELECTED? There are a lot of old people in AZ, which is why it’s nearly as crazy as FL. Their brains have ossified. Sadly, my own father is one of the crazies. He thinks Arpaio is great (although, since he lives in a different county he can’t vote for Arpaio). Hell, he thinks \*Palin \*is great. She’s his gal. This is a man whose family was substantially helped by FDR’s New Deal programs during the Great Depression, and who still refers to FDR as “Mr. Roosevelt”. I do not understand how he can think so highly of FDR and so … malevolently … of Obama, when the latter is trying to do the same damn thing as the former, using the same damn methods. The disconnect is too large for my mind to encompass.☹ We don’t discuss politics in my family. It leads to bad feelings. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/135 "2012-03-21T10:48:19Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You’ve missed that all the people saying a film of Obama being born under a palm tree in Hawaii know that Obama was born in Hawaii, and _aren’t birthers._ > > The film would be a fake because Obama was born in a hospital, not on a beach (and one nit-picker pointed out he wasn’t born as president). > > You said: > \*\*Frank \*\*explained it to you, flat-out, very next post that Obama was born in a hospital. > > You responded: > > You’re just not getting it. Maybe you are right, and I don’t get why people can hate someone they don’t know, and look for reasons to try to annul his presidency with such a silly reason, and if they were watchng the birth itself would still say, it wasn’t in Hawaii. And yes, I did get the point made that he was born as a baby, not while president. So many people were angry that he was elected they started the day he won the presidency to look for faults, and did all possible to put his ideas down. He was elected in a fair election and is a good decent man. I give him the credit that he is trying to help the country, wither I like all his ideas or not! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/136 "2012-03-21T12:42:49Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Swear to God, I do not know what you point is, or why you wrote that nasty post about a remedial board for practice. When I first read it, I was appalled. It seemed pointlessly rude. It seemed pointlessly rude. And, as yet, I still don’t see what your point is. “Appalled?” You must appall easy. **monavis** is clearly missing the forest for the palm trees. he/she/it seems to believe that I think Obama was born in a hospital in another country, and not–as is so obviously true–under a palm tree in Hawaii. His/her responses to other posts (including mine) have been off by just that little much, not so much a non sequiter that one can ignore them, but just enough that one studies them for ten minutes, parsing and reparsing, attempting to fit the words into something that makes sense. Then one realizes that **monavis** is not attempting to actually reply or to engage in conversation, merely to continue to ride a hobby-horse about some people don’t like Obama, and is shoehorning such statements into any crevice they’ll fit. Remedial was actually pretty fucking gentle. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/137 "2012-03-21T13:41:15Z")
I got it, and I didn’t think the remedial comment was out of line. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/138 "2012-03-22T11:36:54Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > “Appalled?” You must appall easy. **monavis** is clearly missing the forest for the palm trees. > > he/she/it seems to believe that I think Obama was born in a hospital in another country, and not–as is so obviously true–under a palm tree in Hawaii. His/her responses to other posts (including mine) have been off by just that little much, not so much a non sequiter that one can ignore them, but just enough that one studies them for ten minutes, parsing and reparsing, attempting to fit the words into something that makes sense. Then one realizes that **monavis** is not attempting to actually reply or to engage in conversation, merely to continue to ride a hobby-horse about some people don’t like Obama, and is shoehorning such statements into any crevice they’ll fit. > > Remedial was actually pretty fucking gentle. I surely wasn’t thinking that it was you or your thoughts, I was thinking of the birthers who insist on finding some reason to annul Obama’s presidency. You have the right to disagree with me, but it does seem like such a silly thing to keep up the “Obama isn’t really an American” when shown a copy of his birth certificate, they still make such a claim, and it is proven that his Mother was in Hawaii at the time of his birth. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/139 "2012-03-22T11:39:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I got it, and I didn’t think the remedial comment was out of line. I too think he/she has the right to make a remedial comment if that is his/her choice. I take no offence by someone’s opinion. They have the right to disagree with me! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492/140 "2012-03-22T11:52:43Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I surely wasn’t thinking that it was you or your thoughts, I was thinking of the birthers who insist on finding some reason to annul Obama’s presidency. You have the right to disagree with me, but it does seem like such a silly thing to keep up the “Obama isn’t really an American” when shown a copy of his birth certificate, they still make such a claim, and it is proven that his Mother was in Hawaii at the time of his birth. This post makes less sense than the ones others have been complaining about. Perhaps you need to get some sleep. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sheriff-joe-arpaio-says-president-obamas-birth-certificate-may-be-a-fake/614492.md?page=8)