# Sherlock January 15 2017 "The Final Problem" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 15, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270 "2017-01-15T22:44:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/61 "2017-01-17T22:29:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Exactly. The shot of them leaping out of the windows, just ahead of the fireball (which even made the trailer!) was 100% Hollywood garbage. Yeah, that was just silly. I noticed they weren’t large, single paned windows. No way they got up enough speed to jump through the windows and the frame. It that were me, I’d have bounced off the window and landed back on top of the grenade. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/62 "2017-01-18T00:58:55Z")
Gosh, tough crowd. I picked up on a few of the inconsistencies and unanswered questions along the way, but decided that this was a piece of entertainment best enjoyed for the performances and character interactions and enjoyed it on that level. I loved the little touches like Mrs. Hudson sighing in exasperation when Sherlock stabs his papers into the new mantlepiece at the end. Every second of Moriarty was gold. I liked that their first thought upon being faced with a motion-sensitive grenade drone was how much danger other people, particularly Mrs. Hudson, would be in, and making a plan that included getting her out. As for Sherlock being a sociopath – nuh-uh. Mrs. Hudson called it in the last episode; he’s as much about emotions as about intellect. He described himself as a ‘high-functioning sociopath’ because that’s what he wanted to be: someone who didn’t feel strong emotions, in particular empathy and love. In reality, he was a sensitive and emotional person who had been dealt appalling trauma at a tender age and tried hard to prevent that ever being possible again. I was sure the opening bit in Mycroft’s house was a dream sequence and it was creepy as hell. I always like the callbacks to names and story titles in the original stories and books, and I enjoyed them running out of Rathbone Place in the final shot. And I’m feeling rather clever for having guessed that Redbeard was a little boy rather than a dog well in advance, although I had called him as the youngest Holmes sibling rather than a best friend. I’m certainly not criticizing anyone else for holding a different opinion or perspective. In fact, I will freely volunteer that I enjoyed all of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies because I liked spending time with the characters long after there was a plot worth enjoying. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/63 "2017-01-18T03:34:35Z")
Overall, I enjoyed the series quite a bit. The last episode was not the best. I agree with others who thought that Eurus should have been killed instead of mollycoddled. She was responsible for so many innocent people’s death, including Sherlock’s boyhood friend, and those she didn’t kill were put through emotional torture. She needed to. die. The good Well, I like that there’s a backdrop to explain Sherlock’s emotional disconnect. I liked that Watson was recognized as an essential part of the team instead of just a blogger. I liked that Molly was not a pushover. I loved that Mrs. Hooper wouldn’t let Watson drive her kickass car, which I’m sure I’m supposed to recognize, but I don’t. And I love that in last week’s episode, she called Mycroft a reptile. Moriarty is a delightful villain. His “music video” scene was hysterical. The bad Massive plot holes, like a person in a maximum security prison being the root of all evil. Still no plausible explanation for how she could escape from time to time to do thinks like ride around in a bus for gawd knows how long to try and get Watson’s attention, or set up fake therapist websites. Then we have her or her agents procuring killer drones, not to mention somehow orchestrating the stringing up of 3 brothers (murder suspects) via, what? a crane? outside a maximum security prison. There’s not enough eye rolls for those feats. And then we have the little things like: Hey, instead of warning people not to get within 3 feet of Eurus, why not just make it physically impossible to let visitors get within 3 feet of her? The ugly Blowing up 221B Baker Street is cliched to begin with, but then they lose all impact by restoring it. No Irene Adler. My husband will never forgive them for that. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/64 "2017-01-18T04:20:59Z")
The short Molly Hooper scene made we wish we could see far more Molly and way less Mary. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/65 "2017-01-18T14:50:08Z")
I was waiting for the reveal that Sherlock was actually a dullard as a child before Euros reprogrammed him. Alas, it never came. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/66 "2017-01-18T16:14:18Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The short Molly Hooper scene made we wish we could see far more Molly and way less Mary. I’m with PunditLisa’s husband: say a DVD of Irene Adler wishing Sherlock a very happy birthday … ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/67 "2017-01-18T16:18:45Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’m with PunditLisa’s husband: say a DVD of Irene Adler wishing Sherlock a very happy birthday … In her battle dress. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/68 "2017-01-18T17:18:52Z")
IMHO this season of Sherlock was one good episode sandwiched between two pieces of crap. ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/69 "2017-01-18T17:22:16Z")
I’d like a spinoff–The Mycroft Show. I’d watch that. I find Mycroft a far more interesting character than Sherlock, although I do love John and Sherlock together, solving crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/70 "2017-01-18T18:57:20Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > I’d like a spinoff–The Mycroft Show. I’d watch that. I find Mycroft a far more interesting character than Sherlock, although I do love John and Sherlock together, solving crimes. “Better Call Mycroft” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/71 "2017-01-18T18:57:42Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > She definitely had a Bellatrix Lestrange thing going on. Plus bonus Imperius Curse!.. Good catch. > [@AK84](#): > > …Watson, the veteran is an old hat so remains calm. Sherlock is a sociopath. A _high-functioning_ sociopath. Do your research! > [@JSexton](#): > > …I don’t get why they kept following Euros’s game. First two games, she killed all the victims, despite Sherlock solving the riddle. At that point, she’s demonstrated that there are no right answers. Don’t play a rigged game, boys… Exactly. The warden’s wife… and those poor Garrideb brothers! Just say no. How _Sherlock_ became “an annoying self-parody”: [Sherlock: how the TV phenomenon became an annoying self-parody | Sherlock | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jan/16/sherlock-how-the-tv-phenomenon-became-an-annoying-parody-of-itself?CMP=share_btn_link) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/72 "2017-01-18T19:09:20Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > I’d like a spinoff–The Mycroft Show. I’d watch that. Okay, Mycroft gets his own show. It is a buddy comedy. Who should be his partner, Monk or Psych? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/73 "2017-01-18T19:44:09Z")
> [@Quercus\_alba](#): > > “Better Call Mycroft” Mycroft In Charge MyCroft HolmesMan Mycroft Guy The Mycrofts Mycroft’s Company MYCR In London Mycroft & Son St. Mycroftwhere House of Mycroft All In Mycroft’s Family Mycroft Street Blues ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/74 "2017-01-18T19:51:34Z")
I kind of want to see a buddy comedy with Mycroft Holmes and Alfred Pennyworth. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/75 "2017-01-18T20:08:12Z")
Two Guys, Mycroft, and a Pizza Place Lavern and Mycroft Mycroft and Molly 10 Simple Rules for Dating Mycroft Mcguycroft Don’t Trust the Brit in Apartment 23 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/76 "2017-01-18T20:42:32Z")
“And that, kids, is how I met your Mycroft.” ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/77 "2017-01-18T21:05:27Z")
Modern Mycroft Mycroft-ish ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/78 "2017-01-18T21:10:29Z")
Married with Mycroft Everybody loves Mycroft Mycroft P.I. Cagney and Mycroft ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/79 "2017-01-18T21:39:03Z")
I think we are limiting options by looking at only live action series. He could always go the animated route. Mycroft and the Holograms Mycroft of the Universe Mycroft and Stitch My Little Mycroft ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sherlock-january-15-2017-the-final-problem-open-spoilers/777270/80 "2017-01-18T21:42:56Z")
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