# She's a lesbian and he's gay. And in other news, the pope is Catholic **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 2, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046 "2006-01-02T05:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/1 "2006-01-02T05:09:06Z")
What TV and movie characters could be most plausibly revealed as being gay without doing violence to the character’s previous history? Of course the character has to be ostensibly gay or at least uncommitted; there’s no point to listing Willow Rosenberg, in other words. Here’s a few to get things started: 1. Mr. Sulu from _Star Trek: TOS_ 2. Olivia Benson from _Law & Order: SVU._ 3. Jake Sisko from _Star Trek: DS9_ 4. All Hail Opal! 5. Clarice Starling from _The Silence of the Lambs_ ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/2 "2006-01-02T05:20:23Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > 1. Jake Sisko from _Star Trek: DS9_ C’mon, **Fab.** Jake was sexin’ it with Dabo Girls in their twenties when he was sixteen. Odo could conceivably be revealed as a bisexual hermaphrodite. Worf’s son, Alexander? Totally gay. Wesley Crusher? Gay. Geordi? Blind and gay. Tasha Yar? Gay. Captain Janeway? Gaaaaaaaaaaaay. Seven of Nine? Gay. Garak? Gay. Q? Omnipotent and gay. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/3 "2006-01-02T05:23:43Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > Odo could conceivably be revealed as a bisexual hermaphrodite. Does “gay” or “straight” have any meaning when you’re talking about Changelings? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/4 "2006-01-02T05:25:51Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > C’mon, **Fab.** Jake was sexin’ it with Dabo Girls in their twenties when he was sixteen. > > Odo could conceivably be revealed as a bisexual hermaphrodite. > > Worf’s son, Alexander? Totally gay. > > Wesley Crusher? Gay. > > Geordi? Blind and gay. > > Tasha Yar? Gay. > > Captain Janeway? Gaaaaaaaaaaaay. > > Seven of Nine? Gay. > > Garak? Gay. > > Q? Omnipotent and gay. That’ll teach me to hit hte send button too soon. Of your list, I often thought Garak was gay, and quite possibly 7 of 9; she needed Janeway’s approval A LOT more than she liked admitting to yourse.f. Tasha, too, I can see, and Alexander. Not the rest, though. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/5 "2006-01-02T05:26:57Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > What TV and movie characters could be most plausibly revealed as being gay without doing violence to the character’s previous history? Of course the character has to be ostensibly gay or at least uncommitted; there’s no point to listing Willow Rosenberg, in other words. OMG! The Pope is a gay Catholic lesbian??!! I KNEW it! I think you meant **ostensibly straight** did you not? Princess Ardala in Buck Rogers. Swung both ways, I’m sure of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tarrsk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/97f17d/32.png) [@Tarrsk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarrsk)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/6 "2006-01-02T05:29:01Z")
It wouldn’t shock me at all if Shepherd Book was gay, although as a celibate priest, it wouldn’t really make a difference. Same goes for the various Jedi Knights we see in the Star Wars prequels- Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, etc. Kaylee Frye could have made a convincing bisexual (as Willow should’ve been, IMO)… someone that loves others for the person that they are, regardless of gender. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/7 "2006-01-02T05:31:03Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > OMG! The Pope is a gay Catholic lesbian??!! I KNEW it! > > I think you meant **ostensibly straight** did you not? > > Princess Ardala in Buck Rogers. Swung both ways, I’m sure of it. ::reads post thrice to find hidden bondage subtext:: ::finds none:: EC, are you feeling okay? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stark_Raven_Mad)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/8 "2006-01-02T05:33:11Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > 1. Clarice Starling from _The Silence of the Lambs_ What? But she runs off with Hannibal at the end of _Hannibal_! (albeit under hypnosis) ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/9 "2006-01-02T05:38:12Z")
Geordi’s little crush on that holochick doctor aside, as well as his one episode fling with that one black alien girl, when in the entire history of ST:TNG did Geordi ever seem like he had a hard-on for women? The first season crush on Tasha Yar? Puh-leeze. He wanted Yar as his beard. Q has to be gay. Much as I hate to stereotype, his outfits and wardrobe changes alone were just too fashionable and frequent for a heterosexual omnipotent being to fiddle around with. Wesley kisses Ashley Judd in one episode and you’re ready to declare him straight? Dude ran off with the Traveller! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/10 "2006-01-02T05:38:41Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > 1. Olivia Benson from _Law & Order: SVU._ I don’t get that vibe from her. She doesn’t have a very eventful love life (so far as we know), but I have seen her get laid by at least one guy (a sleazy newspaper reporter, and she had cause to regret it), and I’ve never seen her even flirt with a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/11 "2006-01-02T05:40:04Z")
> [@Stark Raven Mad](#): > > What? But she runs off with Hannibal at the end of _Hannibal_! (albeit under hypnosis) ::sticks fingers in ears:: I can’t hhhheeeeaaarrrr you. I don’t recognize that book as canon. I feel instead that Thomas Harris blew through two or three advances in Italy while he was supposed to be writing the book and was contacted by his editor at St. Martin’s Press demanding a manuscript. He then dashed off _Hannibal_ over a weekend, intending that it would be recognized as so awful that the publisher would demand a rewrite; then, to his horror, they printed it, forcing him to go into hiding. [/hijack] Anyway, I meant MOVIE Starling. She struck me as very gay. AND THERE IS NO BOOK ENTITLED HANNIBAL. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/12 "2006-01-02T05:40:28Z")
> [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > 1. All Hail Opal! Who? > [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > 1. Clarice Starling from _The Silence of the Lambs_ The movie Clarice, maybe. The book Clarice, definitely not. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/13 "2006-01-02T05:41:00Z")
Daria & Jane, from _Daria_. Mokey & Red Fraggle from _Fraggle Rock_. (Oh, right, like I’m the only guy who picked up on it!) And is “Cuddles” from _Happy Tree Friends_ male or female? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/14 "2006-01-02T05:43:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Who? > > The movie Clarice, maybe. The book Clarice, definitely not. Even in _Silence of the Lambs_ (the book), she has an actual flirtation and, at the end, makes a date, with one of those geeky entomologists from the Smithsonian. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/15 "2006-01-02T05:52:59Z")
> [@Tarrsk](#): > > Kaylee Frye could have made a convincing bisexual (as Willow should’ve been, IMO)… someone that loves others for the person that they are, regardless of gender. How do we know she isn’t? She seemed awfully fond of Inara. They might have had who-knows-what kind of slippery naughtiness in that shuttle. 😃 Hercules, Iolaus, Ares - gay ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@Citizen\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Citizen_Bob)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/16 "2006-01-02T05:55:31Z")
Ok, since I missed the Star Trek stuff, I’m going to take a crack at Star Wars. This is not entirely serious, but with some poetic licence, I think the following might be meandered to: 1. Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine likes only young boys. 2. Obi Wan Kenobi is in the closet (gay somewhere in the back of his mind) 3. Chewbacca - hot for Han Solo, but knows it would ruin their friendship 4. Princess Leia - swings both ways, AND may be into incest 5. Bib Fortuna is Jabba’s ‘Mr. Slave’ 6. Jabba is multispecial/multi-sexual, sees sex purely as a power play 7. C3PO - secretly hot for R2D2, but has deep-seated frustration from R2’s constant rejection. He gets moody about the whole thing. 8. Boba Fett hits for both teams with S&M - he’s into disintegrations, had an experience with Darth Vader once 9. Governor Tarquin doesn’t wash after torture sex, leaves a foul stentch for all to smell up and down the halls of the Death Star. 10. Biggs is gay - couldn’t wait to give Luke the ‘Low-down’ after the battle. Enjoy! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/17 "2006-01-02T05:56:43Z")
> [@Tarrsk](#): > > It wouldn’t shock me at all if Shepherd Book was gay, although as a celibate priest, it wouldn’t really make a difference. Tell it to the pope! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/18 "2006-01-02T06:00:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Even in _Silence of the Lambs_ (the book), she has an actual flirtation and, at the end, makes a date, with one of those geeky entomologists from the Smithsonian. I’m pretty sure she actually sleeps with him in the book. But, as I said, I was referring to MOVIE Clarice. (Read the OP.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/19 "2006-01-02T06:09:01Z")
I was going to say Marge’s sister Patty from _The Simpsons_ – but it appears she already came out, in an episode I missed. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty\_Bouvier#Romantic\_Liaisons](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Bouvier#Romantic_Liaisons) It’s so hard to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/20 "2006-01-02T06:15:04Z")
Lorne from _Angel_ – not even a close call. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046.md?page=2)