# She's a lesbian and he's gay. And in other news, the pope is Catholic **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 2, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046 "2006-01-02T05:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/101 "2006-01-06T18:00:37Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > … > > I’ll be in my bunk. Brilliant 🙂 P.S. like the hat. ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/102 "2006-01-06T18:29:48Z")
> [@threeorange](#): > > Some of you may find this hard-to-believe, or even possibly _shocking_, but I think there might have been something going on between **Xena and Gabrielle**. It’s very subtle, and I don’t think anyone else has noticed. Ah, Gabrielle, Xena’s jailbait sidekick… Good times… ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/103 "2006-01-06T18:40:24Z")
> [@Iggins](#): > > Ah, Gabrielle, Xena’s jailbait sidekick… Good times… So, now are we thinking the same of Hercules and Whatsisname, the curly blond guy? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/104 "2006-01-06T19:05:08Z")
Yeah, Herc and Iaeolus were mentioned a while back. How about the Joker, Riddler, King Tut, and Catwoman from the Adam West-era Batman show? Let’s also not ignore Lex Luthor from Smallville. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/105 "2006-01-06T19:25:06Z")
> [@Harvey The Heavy](#): > > Hoover and D-Day from Animal House. Hoover, maybe. D-Day, definitely not - he was way too interested in war and destruction. I just can’t picture it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/106 "2006-01-06T20:19:26Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > How about the Joker, Riddler, King Tut, and Catwoman from the Adam West-era Batman show? Were there **any** straight characters on that show? ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/107 "2006-01-06T21:17:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Were there **any** straight characters on that show? Alfred ? Wern’t the A \_Team mostly gay? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/108 "2006-01-06T22:22:08Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Wait a minute – wasn’t Ares revealed to be Xena’s father, making her a demigoddess? (Not that a little thing like that would stop a Greek god from gettin’ it on, but still – did they really have incest on “Xena”?) As I recall from that episode (season 3, The Furies), Xena lays out a case that Ares COULD be her father. But that is all the further it goes, it is never said that he actually is. Russell ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/109 "2006-01-06T22:25:36Z")
> [@Phase42](#): > > Well, he did appear in Janeway’s bed once or twice. (the above being about Q) Don’t forget, he also appeared in Picards! Maybe he’s bi. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sutremaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@Sutremaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sutremaine)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/110 "2006-01-07T00:13:15Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > In General: > \*A lot of [Akira Ishida](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_Ishida) roles tend to be a little fruity. …One of which is Evangelion’s Kaworu Nagisa, who proclaims his love to Shinji. It’s definitely a spiritual love rather than teenage lust, but Shinji and Kaworu’s reactions to each other show that there’s a (potential, as it turns out) physical, erotic element there as well. Shinji himself I’m not sure about. He fancied the pants off Asuka and was emotionally involved with her to a disturbing extent, but Kaworu was the only person he ever seemed to really love. > [@](#): > > That said, here’s some titles that made me raise a few eyebrows, at least: > … > \*[Trigun](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigun) Not my fandom (though I’ll pick up the R1 DVDs once I sort out a few technical issues), even though I know most of the plot, but are you talking about Knives x Legato\*, Knives x Vash, or Vash / Wolfwood? Another character I’m not too sure about is Dante from the _Devil May Cry_ games. Is it the impeccable grooming? The enormous compensatory sword? The enormous compensatory guns? The butt-hugging scarlet leather trousers? He’s probably straight-but-will-make-exceptions rather than ‘properly’ bi or gay, though. He does like Lady. Vergil… well, it’s my personal opinion that he’s gay, but who knows? I don’t know what his VA usually sounds like, but some of his lines sound a little flirtatious. I’m kind of reminded of Jecht from _Final Fantasy X_, specifically the ‘you were always such a stiff, but that’s what I liked about you’ line. Either Jecht’s VA was playing him as attracted to Auron, or he tried for ‘companionable’ and got it very, very wrong. Every male RPG character ever is gay. If they constantly flirt with the ladies, they’re trying to fool themselves. If they have no particular interest in romance, it’s because they haven’t met Mr. Right. If they’re celibate or actively reject romantic attachments, it’s because Mr. Right broke their hearts. If they spend time with other men for any reason, they’re either having sex or wishing they were. If they have a wife/ girlfriend, she’s a beard. If they have children, then either they did it because they had to or because they hadn’t yet realised their true sexuality. This is the real reason all RPG worlds have so few towns and cities. 😃 _takes tongue out of cheek and goes to re-read Videogame Recap’s FFVIII recap_ \*Just in the anime, here. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerous\_Nan\_McGrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecd19e/32.png) [@Dangerous\_Nan\_McGrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerous_Nan_McGrew)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/111 "2006-01-07T01:58:18Z")
> [@AlbertRose](#): > > I’ll admit it - I thought that Kaylee _was_ gay, since I misheard one of Jayne’s quotes early in the pilot episode. Something about wanting to be a gynecologist (or so I thought). Then, when Inara did her hair later, I definitely “knew” that Kaylee was out and happy. Oh! This exact thing happened to me, too! I thought Jayne said “Kaylee here just wishes she (Kaylee herself) was a gynecologist.” Only after the second time I watched it did I figure out it was “he”, referring to Simon. But I watched the entire series (the first time) under the assumption that it was common knowledge Kaylee was bi, and nothing seemed to contradict that. So, I still think so. Besides, remember the “Hey, you” greeting she and Inara exchanged? So something going on there. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2006, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/112 "2006-01-07T02:41:19Z")
> [@Dangerous Nan McGrew](#): > > Oh! This exact thing happened to me, too! I thought Jayne said “Kaylee here just wishes she (Kaylee herself) was a gynecologist.” Only after the second time I watched it did I figure out it was “he”, referring to Simon. But I watched the entire series (the first time) under the assumption that it was common knowledge Kaylee was bi, and nothing seemed to contradict that. So, I still think so. Besides, remember the “Hey, you” greeting she and Inara exchanged? So something going on there. Huh. I never thought Kaylee was gay, but I had that same read of the line. I just figured it was Jayne being an asshole who thinks that calling someone gay is a big insult. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2006, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/113 "2006-01-07T04:01:28Z")
> [@Sutremaine](#): > > Not my fandom (though I’ll pick up the R1 DVDs once I sort out a few technical issues), even though I know most of the plot, but are you talking about Knives x Legato\*, Knives x Vash, or Vash / Wolfwood? All of the above. 😃 And, in the manga, Elindra x Knives. There was also Kamatari, from _Rurouni Kenshin_. > [@](#): > > Every male RPG character ever is gay. If they constantly flirt with the ladies, they’re trying to fool themselves. If they have no particular interest in romance, it’s because they haven’t met Mr. Right. If they’re celibate or actively reject romantic attachments, it’s because Mr. Right broke their hearts. If they spend time with other men for any reason, they’re either having sex or wishing they were. If they have a wife/ girlfriend, she’s a beard. If they have children, then either they did it because they had to or because they hadn’t yet realised their true sexuality. > This is the real reason all RPG worlds have so few towns and cities. 😃 Well, all the character designs after FF7 were definitely quite _pretty_, to say the least. I can’t figure out the Amano designs, though. Except _Castlevania’s_ Alucard. He’s definitely got something going on there, especially with all those frilld. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2006, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/114 "2006-01-07T07:48:06Z")
More anime: Saeba Ryu of City Hunter. Sure he’s a lech - but it’s all overcompensation. All of it. (Which is why Kaori is so right for him - she’s quite mannish, really.) Just for example, would he really keep falling for Saeki’s various ‘nights of passion’ gambits if he were really after her body? ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@Citizen\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Citizen_Bob)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2006, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/115 "2006-01-07T10:06:51Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Alfred ? > > Wern’t the A \_Team mostly gay? Not Starbuck, Noooooo! ---
**Author:** ![Feydeau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/df788c/32.png) [@Feydeau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feydeau)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/116 "2006-01-25T08:14:55Z")
Miss Hathaway, from **The Beverly Hillbillies.** ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046/117 "2006-01-25T09:21:49Z")
We’ve started watching _Firefly_ and I got all those Inara/Kaylee vibes too. Although Inara did say she wouldn’t sleep with any of the crew. Especially since on the ep with the councillor, Kaylee says “I knew she took female clients”. One wonders how, since the rest of the crew didn’t know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shes-a-lesbian-and-hes-gay-and-in-other-news-the-pope-is-catholic/338046.md?page=5)