# Shit homophobic people say **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 14, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528 "2012-01-14T20:09:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/1 "2012-01-14T20:09:52Z")
[Gee, they didn’t even mention Adam & Steve.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEmHcz-SBs&feature=g-logo&context=G25878f1FOAAAAAAAGAA) I’m too tired to put this in the pit; nothing original here anyway. It’s just sad that people actually believe this shit, in the 21st century. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/2 "2012-01-14T20:17:50Z")
This is nothing new…Sad but true. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/3 "2012-01-14T20:36:25Z")
Yeah, mind-boggling stupid comments on that video clip. I am still perplexed by people who think being Gay is a “choice”. Does that mean they feel they could just as easily have sex with their same gender as the opposite gender? Seriously? If so, that would make them so far in the closet they can see Narnia. The bile and hate by these bigots is truly suspect - why in the hell do they really care who I sleep with, love and want to spend my life with together? I can only assume this has to do with intense self-loathing - nothing worse than some repressed closet case going that extra mile to prove they are NOT, repeat, NOT “that way” and everybody who thinks so is wrong! And how many times have we seen that person later in a men’s restroom or paying for a Gay hooker, or caught with Gay porn? It is almost a non-news story now when yet another rabid, homophobic is caught with his pants down, literally, with another dude. You get the Pope putting in his two cents, Republican candidates and their bible-thumping cohorts fueling the fires - it sometimes feels like a never-ending battle. How can I put this politely - leave me the hell alone and go fuck yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/4 "2012-01-14T20:46:21Z")
I have never understood why some people think the sex life of others is in ANY way their business. Unless I am sleeping with your husband/ wife or (maybe) your child, what I do in the privacy of my home is none of your business. Yeah, being gay is a choice. People actively choose to be humiliated and ridiculed for their sexual and emotional feelings. Riiiiiight. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/5 "2012-01-14T20:58:11Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Yeah, mind-boggling stupid comments on that video clip. > > I am still perplexed by people who think being Gay is a “choice”. > Does that mean they feel they could just as easily have sex with their same gender as the opposite gender? Seriously? If so, that would make them so far in the closet they can see Narnia. Somebody once explained it to me: Based on scientific evidence (and introspection) she was completely willing to accept that sexual orientation was a trait one is born with. The “choice” part came in the acting on it, because homosexuality was a sin before God, so that it was a the burden of a gay person to not engage in homosexual acts. Just as a priest, nun, etc. choose to be celibate, so should all gay people. I thought that was very harsh, but apparently God puts a greater burden on some people than on others, in her view. I certainly don’t agree with that, what not believing in God and all that, but I appreciated the attempt to reconcile “me Xtian, Gay bad!” with “me scientist, must accept obvious!” And by appreciate, I mean was disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/6 "2012-01-14T21:50:27Z")
With all the stupid shit in that video, why am I most bothered by what Ann Coulter said? Yeah, I’ve never liked her, but still. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/7 "2012-01-14T22:06:30Z")
I get homicidal urges just seeing Ann Coulter’s name… > [@](#): > > I am still perplexed by people who think being Gay is a “choice”. > Does that mean they feel they could just as easily have sex with their same gender as the opposite gender? Seriously? If so, that would make them so far in the closet they can see Narnia. Sing it. Sure, I thought it over when I was [del]11[/del] [del]12[/del] [del]14[/del] 16 and decided…all righty then, I’ve decided, that’s it! I’m going to be straight. Yay! Jeesus Christ on a polystyrene crutch. There isn’t a big enough, or emphatic enough, rolley-eyes emoticon for this homophobic shit. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/8 "2012-01-14T22:48:59Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Yeah, mind-boggling stupid comments on that video clip. > > I am still perplexed by people who think being Gay is a “choice”. Forgive the tangent, but I sometimes wonder if the choice vs. nature argument is doing the cause a disservice. It almost feels like when people say that being gay isn’t a choice, they’re conceding that it’s wrong but people just can’t help it. I’d like to live in a world where we can say that sure, it’s a choice, and it’s a perfectly fine choice to make. This isn’t even going into how sexuality isn’t binary, it’s a spectrum, surprisingly few people are absolutely hetero or homosexual, etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/9 "2012-01-14T22:59:13Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Forgive the tangent, but I sometimes wonder if the choice vs. nature argument is doing the cause a disservice. It almost feels like when people say that being gay isn’t a choice, they’re conceding that it’s wrong but people just can’t help it. I’d like to live in a world where we can say that sure, it’s a choice, and it’s a perfectly fine choice to make. > > This isn’t even going into how sexuality isn’t binary, it’s a spectrum, surprisingly few people are absolutely hetero or homosexual, etc. etc. THIS^!!! But then you get into the minefield of arguing sexuality is in the least fluid, I think it has fluidity to it but nothing you could intentionally change OR SHOULD. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/10 "2012-01-14T23:04:20Z")
I look at it kind of like eye color. You are born with blue eyes, or green eyes, or whatever. Your sexual orientation is something that is part of who you are. You don’t hit puberty and say “ok, I’m gonna be gay”. You can’t really choose who your body is going to be sexually attracted to. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/11 "2012-01-14T23:38:27Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > I am still perplexed by people who think being Gay is a “choice”. > Does that mean they feel they could just as easily have sex with their same gender as the opposite gender? Seriously? If so, that would make them so far in the closet they can see Narnia. I once read what I thought was an interesting ‘hypothesis’ that a large portion of vocal anti-gay people are gay people who grew up in a family and community where being gay is unacceptable. Since being gay is so sinful they convince themselves they’re not gay, but they know they’d LOVE to be having sex with men. From that knowledge they can either give in and accept that they’re gay or reason out that everyone else would love to be having gay sex too, but choose not to. So in their minds everyone probably wants to have gay sex if only they make that choice. Obviously it doesn’t make anti-gay people any less stupid or repugnant but I thought it was an interesting way to think about their mindset, and it helps explain why such a high proportion of vocal anti-gay douchebags are actually gay. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/12 "2012-01-14T23:51:04Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > I once read what I thought was an interesting ‘hypothesis’ that a large portion of vocal anti-gay people are gay people who grew up in a family and community where being gay is unacceptable. Since being gay is so sinful they convince themselves they’re not gay, but they know they’d LOVE to be having sex with men. > > From that knowledge they can either give in and accept that they’re gay or reason out that everyone else would love to be having gay sex too, but choose not to. \*\*\*\*So in their minds everyone probably wants to have gay sex if only they make that choice.\*\*\*\*Obviously it doesn’t make anti-gay people any less stupid or repugnant but I thought it was an interesting way to think about their mindset, and it helps explain why such a high proportion of vocal anti-gay douchebags are actually gay. Bolding above mine, and this is the conclusion I came to about 20 years ago - it’s the _only_ logical explanation for the phobic hysteria of the anti-gay-rights crowd, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/13 "2012-01-15T03:11:30Z")
I’d never heard Marcus Bachmann’s voice before. If he’s NOT secretly gay, I’d be quite surprised. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/14 "2012-01-15T03:33:58Z")
I’d be surprised if he’s secretly gay, because he’s CLEARLY gay. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/15 "2012-01-15T03:47:30Z")
Well, openly secretly gay, then. His closet is missing its door, let’s say. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/16 "2012-01-15T04:03:46Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Forgive the tangent, but I sometimes wonder if the choice vs. nature argument is doing the cause a disservice. It almost feels like when people say that being gay isn’t a choice, they’re conceding that it’s wrong but people just can’t help it. I’d like to live in a world where we can say that sure, it’s a choice, and it’s a perfectly fine choice to make. > > This isn’t even going into how sexuality isn’t binary, it’s a spectrum, surprisingly few people are absolutely hetero or homosexual, etc. etc. I agree with you, mostly. Since I don’t see anything wrong with sex with any consenting adult one wishes, I don’t particularly care if a particular preference is genetic or what. That being said, there are decent reasons from an advocacy perspective to portray sexuality as an immutable, inborn characteristic. The courts have traditionally been most protective of classes (sex, race, etc) that are both the subject of historical animus and immutable. It’s useful, then, for sexual orientation to fall into that category whether or not it strictly belongs there. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/17 "2012-01-15T04:07:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > His closet is missing its door … I do love that. IANAGLBT, so I am curious - how do non-straights feel above the expressed desire to free them from their enslavement to the ‘life-style’? Well meaning but mis-guiding, or bullshit excuse? I assume the latter, but who am I to assume? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/18 "2012-01-15T04:29:02Z")
Perhaps [this documentary](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgF5SxGaCzc) will shed some light on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/19 "2012-01-15T05:09:26Z")
Overheard and found amusing: “Well, of course it was Adam and Eve! Steve would have known what happens when you start listening to what your snake is telling you!” ---
**Author:** ![Shawn1767](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shawn1767](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shawn1767)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2012, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528/20 "2012-01-15T06:12:37Z")
What I’ve never understood is that if homosexuality is wrong and an abomination, then what difference does it make to a Christian if the whole world is gay as long as that one Christian has accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior? Regardless of how anyone else lives their lives, should the Christian be happy that he has his ticket to heaven? Why does he have to make sure every other person has a ticket to heaven? What if they rest of the world doesn’t even WANT tickets to heaven? It’s like they’re admitting that God isn’t even powerful enough to stand up to a planet full of people that He supposedly created. I mean, when I see Christians protesting or angry about how the world is going to hell, I think “so what?” aren’t YOU going to heaven anyway? Be happy living your own little churchy-religious life. Let us all go to hell. So what. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-homophobic-people-say/609528.md?page=2)