# Shit just got real (FBI raids Trump lawyer) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 9, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112 "2018-04-09T20:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/81 "2018-04-13T01:10:25Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’ll also disagree with the premise that anyone reads the National Enquirer for actual news reporting. I’ll let stories like [this one](https://www.nationalenquirer.com/photos/moon-alien-space-station-scientists-bizarre-claim/) make that argument: The National Enquirer isn’t on News of the World level as far as tabloids go. [They actually do break actual news](http://mentalfloss.com/article/24291/7-stories-national-enquirer-actually-got-right) every once in awhile. I mean, it’s nothing I would ever take seriously, no matter how plausible the headlines, but it does seem to every once in awhile make an attempt at quasi-news. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a lot of people who took it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/82 "2018-04-13T01:35:31Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a lot of people who took it seriously. Sure, people with alzheimer’s and/or brain damage. Well, perhaps some of the people I work with. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/83 "2018-04-13T02:34:54Z")
They still are buying stories and not running them, which prevents the stories from being shared in any other, more reputable source. Honestly, I can’t figure out a reason to keep the rights to a story if you think it is fake. You’ve just wasted money. Either make the purchase be contingent upon verification, or run it whether it’s true or not. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/84 "2018-04-13T02:59:10Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > They still are buying stories and not running them, which prevents the stories from being shared in any other, more reputable source. Honestly, I can’t figure out a reason to keep the rights to a story if you think it is fake. You’ve just wasted money. Either make the purchase be contingent upon verification, or run it whether it’s true or not. I don’t know the details, but if the enquirer spent $X on a story and hid it to help Trump, that is considered a campaign contribution which again, failure to report opens them up to crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/85 "2018-04-13T03:38:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Derleth** : > > The Washington Post is going to release the tapes, isn’t it? Wait, where would they have gotten the tapes? Cohen has access to them, and the Feds now have access to them too, but I can’t see either of them being inclined to share (at least, not yet). ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/86 "2018-04-13T03:43:04Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, where would they have gotten the tapes? Cohen has access to them, and the Feds now have access to them too, but I can’t see either of them being inclined to share (at least, not yet). I can only imagine they’ll be used in the court case and released that way, as part of the record, but, really, I’m just marveling at the parallels between this and Watergate. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/87 "2018-04-13T03:46:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, where would they have gotten the tapes? The usual way, brush passes and late night meetups in parking garages. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/88 "2018-04-13T04:41:02Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I can only imagine they’ll be used in the court case and released that way, as part of the record, but, really, I’m just marveling at the parallels between this and Watergate. And just like Deep Throat brought it all down, we’ve potentially got Stormy Daniels. Porno! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/89 "2018-04-13T10:00:18Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > His comments this morning about the FBI raid made him go up in my esteem several points. That was classy, and showed and independence of thought from The Great Oompa that I didn’t expect. He’s a generally bellicose guy who’s suddenly talking and acting in a very subdued manner. He’s being polite now because he no longer has the upper hand, and you don’t want to gratuitously offend the people who can put you in the slammer. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/90 "2018-04-13T13:37:31Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The Enquirer could quite plausibly claim in court that nobody would read it for actual news reporting. There are people that believe DJT and VOTED FOR HIM. Of course they believe the Enquirer is real news. The only defense they have would be “It’s not our fault people are stupid” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/91 "2018-04-13T15:04:27Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > There are people that believe DJT and VOTED FOR HIM. Of course they believe the Enquirer is real news. > > The only defense they have would be “It’s not our fault people are stupid” There was a time I believed The Enquirer was real news. Then I started the first grade. ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/92 "2018-04-13T19:52:48Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But the editor of the Enquirer said they didn’t publish the story, because they couldn’t confirm it and publishing it would be contrary to their journalism **ethics**. Wait, what? What are those journalism things they’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/93 "2018-04-13T20:00:26Z")
Stripped of the fancy legal language, pp.11-13 in [this filing](https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/119/491943/127122241322.pdf) by the US Attorney for the SDNY says to Cohen, “dude, we know you aren’t a practicing lawyer. You’ve only got one client, and that’s Trump, and that’s more of a business relationship than a legal one. We’ll still use a filter team to make sure the investigative team doesn’t get hold of anything covered by attorney-client privilege, but we know there won’t be much of that to protect.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/94 "2018-04-13T21:43:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > And just like Deep Throat brought it all down, we’ve potentially got Stormy Daniels. > > Porno! Deep Throat was homage - Stormy is the real deal. 10 years from now people selecting pictures for the next edition of a US History book are going to have an interesting decision of which picture of Stormy to use. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/95 "2018-04-14T00:37:37Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Deep Throat was homage - Stormy is the real deal. > 10 years from now people selecting pictures for the next edition of a US History book are going to have an interesting decision of which picture of Stormy to use. Much like which picture of the First Lady. No, not the nudes, but rather if they use any where she is next to Cheetoh (she seldom smiles unless he is looking at her) or one where she is actually happy. ---
**Author:** ![GoodOmens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@GoodOmens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoodOmens)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/96 "2018-04-14T10:11:48Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Deep Throat was homage - Stormy is the real deal. > 10 years from now people selecting pictures for the next edition of a US History book are going to have an interesting decision of which picture of Stormy to use. They’ll just include a QR code to her Pornhub page. Assuming either of those things exist in 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/97 "2018-04-14T13:06:52Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > _The Washington Post_ is going to release the tapes, isn’t it? > > I mean, it’s going to release tapes of a sitting President doing shady shit while the conversation was being recorded. > > Stupid Nixon just shouldn’t _be_ this Nixonian. It’s practically a Seltzer and Friedberg movie. > **[Aides Trying To Talk Trump Out Of Sending Associates To Break Into Watergate...](https://www.theonion.com/aides-trying-to-talk-trump-out-of-sending-associates-to-1825215126)** > > WASHINGTON—Stressing the importance of thinking long and hard about what a scandal like that could do to his career, White House aides spent hours Thursday trying to talk Donald Trump out of sending associates to break into the Watergate office... "…White House aides spent hours Thursday trying to talk Donald Trump out of sending associates to break into the Watergate office complex. " ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/98 "2018-04-14T18:16:04Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Cohen had a habit of taping conversations with associates. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-allies-worry-that-federal-investigators-may-have-seized-recordings-made-by-his-attorney/2018/04/12/16d6345a-3e89-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800\_story.html?utm\_term=.47ffe6a11f6d](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-allies-worry-that-federal-investigators-may-have-seized-recordings-made-by-his-attorney/2018/04/12/16d6345a-3e89-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800_story.html?utm_term=.47ffe6a11f6d) > > Ruh-roh! Yeah, there was [a reason for that](https://politicaldig.com/trump-lied-to-lawyers/) _… it was discovered that Trump’s lawyers would not meet with him individually. In a 1993 filing, Trump’s lawyer testified they had to meet with him in pairs because of his history of lying to them._ So, Cohen had no choice. He **had** to record his conversations with that guy. But, really, there is no reason for him to leave them exposed. Storing the audio in encrypted archives is the right thing to do if there is the slightest chance of a breach. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/99 "2018-04-16T07:27:05Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I am waiting on the dog to wag. Syria is sitting over there with nobody to help them. I predict bombs flying by tomarrow night. Right in time for the 6o’clock news. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m pretty sure people were predicting something along those lines before the attorney’s office got raided. Something about a chemical weapons attack in Douma made a military response rather likely. :eek::D:D:D You should buy lottery tickets. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112/100 "2018-04-16T14:10:30Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Stripped of the fancy legal language, pp.11-13 in [this filing](https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/119/491943/127122241322.pdf) by the US Attorney for the SDNY says to Cohen, “dude, we know you aren’t a practicing lawyer. You’ve only got one client, and that’s Trump, and that’s more of a business relationship than a legal one. We’ll still use a filter team to make sure the investigative team doesn’t get hold of anything covered by attorney-client privilege, but we know there won’t be much of that to protect.” > [@the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York](#): > > _Third_, [BLACK “REDACTED” BAR], further belying the notion that Cohen is currently engaged in any significant practice of law. What? _What?_ What’s the third reason? We wanna know! We wanna know! Tell us tell us tell us!!! (“_Third_, like everyone else closely associated with the current President of the United States, Cohen is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel, further belying the notion that Cohen is currently engaged in any significant practice of law.”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shit-just-got-real-fbi-raids-trump-lawyer/812112.md?page=6)