# Shocking, Disturbing Restaurant Assault Vid: Woman Allegedly Beaten Into a Seizure As Employees Laug **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398 "2011-04-22T20:05:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/41 "2011-04-23T01:32:50Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > The seizure does not look like seizures I have seen before, unless she had some pre-existing condition I don’t think that was a severe enough beating to cause a seizure, I’m thinking it was an act to stop the beating. It DOES look like a seizure I have seen before. There are many different types of seizures…they do not all look the same. As soon as I saw it, I had the same physical/psychological reaction, i.e. ready to intervene/care, that I have had many times. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/42 "2011-04-23T01:44:35Z")
I’m not seeing a debate here. Moved to the Pit from GD. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/43 "2011-04-23T02:16:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not seeing a debate here. Moved to the Pit from GD. There is too a debate here! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/44 "2011-04-23T02:17:26Z")
No, there’s not. _rips lobohan’s weave out_ ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/45 "2011-04-23T02:18:31Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > No, there’s not. > > _rips lobohan’s weave out_ That was a gift! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/46 "2011-04-23T02:22:03Z")
now i feel bad ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/47 "2011-04-23T02:31:39Z")
> **[McDonald's Employee Took Credit For Filming Brutal Beating In Baltimore Fast...](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-employee-filmed-brutal-beating-640128)** > > UPDATE: McDonald’s fires worker who videotaped brutal attack. > A McDonald’s worker has taken credit for filming and uploading to YouTube the latest viral video to capture a brutal assault at a fast foo I love the picture of the dude that filmed it all. Is that Chris Tucker? ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/48 "2011-04-23T02:39:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’ve broken up quite a few fights in my lifetime, and never had any of those things happen to me. > **[Dad who split up fight in McDonald's shot dead](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-who-split-up-fight-123842)** > > A DAD-of-four who split up a fight in a McDonald’s was shot dead moments after being told he wouldn’t see the morning. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/49 "2011-04-23T02:45:43Z")
Internets are your friend. If you don’t like google you can also bing it. [Baltimore News, Weather and Sports - Maryland News - WBAL-TV 11 News](http://www.wbaltv.com/r/27640819/detail.html) From the link: On the video, you can hear at least one employee yelling for the attack to stop. Police charging documents show that another person tried to intervene and break up the assault, but the black women punched her in the face, causing her to fall over. Police said that woman declined medical assistance. The man who shot the video appeared to have done nothing to help. On the video, he’s heard telling the attackers that the victim is seizing and that police are on the way. According to [TheSmokingGun.com](http://TheSmokingGun.com), the McDonald’s employee who filmed the attack said the victim was a man. Equality Maryland identified the victim as a transgendered woman. The group has urged officials to investigate the attack as a hate crime. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/50 "2011-04-23T02:49:23Z")
Although the guy filming it claimed the victim was a transvestite, the police said it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/51 "2011-04-23T02:55:29Z")
bdgr - you mean the original police incident report or something more updated? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/52 "2011-04-23T03:48:15Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > [http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/) Yeah, well, that’s not me. And the fact that it happened to that guy doesn’t make me think it’s statistically likely to happen to me. If I see a fight break out, I’ll still break it up. If I get hurt in the process but I can stop a one-sided ass-whooping from taking place, so be it. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/53 "2011-04-23T03:48:47Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > The McD folks may have policies about that (don’t want to be sued), dunno. I’m quite sure that McD’s has such policies in place. Stopping an attack like that requires force or the clear authority to detain/arrest (like police presence). Bet your ass if those guys had forecefully detained those girls they would have a dozen lawyers fighting over who gets to sue McD’s for assault and false arrest/imprisonment. One of the fun things about working security where I did, we expected to intervene and detain all involved parties in incidents like this. The fun ones were very uncooperative. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/54 "2011-04-23T03:50:18Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > bdgr - you mean the original police incident report or something more updated? From the police press release on the incident. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/55 "2011-04-23T04:06:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If I am understanding the circumstances, they were beating up a transvestite for being in the ladies room. Is that it? > > Regards, > Shodan Has the Baltimore Police corroborated Vernon Hackett’s [account of the incident](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-employee-filmed-brutal-beating-640128)? Because thus far it’s only Fox “News” that’s echoing his claims with this misleading headline: [**‘Woman’ Beat Up At McDonald’s Was A Male Cross-Dresser**](http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/22/smoking-gun-woman-beat-mcdonald-s-was-male-cross-dresser) * * * Video’s brutal. Bunch of fuckin’ animals. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/56 "2011-04-23T06:46:14Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Has the Baltimore Police corroborated Vernon Hackett’s [account of the incident](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-employee-filmed-brutal-beating-640128)? Because thus far it’s only Fox “News” that’s echoing his claims with this misleading headline: > > [**‘Woman’ Beat Up At McDonald’s Was A Male Cross-Dresser**](http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/22/smoking-gun-woman-beat-mcdonald-s-was-male-cross-dresser). The Baltimore Sun is [reporting](http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-viral-video-mcdonalds-20110422,0,4613709.story) that the prosecutor’s office has stated that they are investigating whether it was a racially-motivated hate crime, but were unaware of the transgender bias possibility. The article, however, cites a group called “Equality Maryland” as having confirmed that the victim was transgendered. > [@](#): > > Equality Maryland said the victim is a transgender woman and called on state Attorney General Douglas F. Gansler to step in and investigate the case as a hate crime. Police and prosecutors said they did not know whether the victim is a transgender woman. > > “It does appear that the victim was a transgender woman, and she was brutalized while people stood by and watched,” said Lisa Polyak, vice president of the board of directors for Equality Maryland, an advocacy organization that fought unsuccessfully in the past legislative session for greater protections for transgender individuals. “There’s no excuse for that violence under any circumstances, but we would encourage police to investigate as a hate crime.” > > … > > State’s Attorney Scott D. Shellenberger, who said he was unaware of the gender-related issues, said the racial dynamics of the incident could result in hate-crime charges. > > “We just received this case, and the Police Department is continuing their investigation,” Shellenberger said. “If there is evidence that the crime was racially motivated, we will take a look at those charges and see if we meet those elements. We have the ability, if the facts are there, to upgrade the charges at a later date.” ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/57 "2011-04-23T07:00:29Z")
> [@ajb867](#): > > The person in the video is faking a seizure. > > If you would like to see what real seizures look like click below > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDccChHrgRA](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDccChHrgRA) > > Also its floating around that she is actually a He who was in the woman’s bathroom. You’re an idiot. Do you really think a four minute youtube video can show you what all seizures look like? Seriously, you’re an idiot. > [@RedFury](#): > > Has the Baltimore Police corroborated Vernon Hackett’s [account of the incident](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-employee-filmed-brutal-beating-640128)? Catty: Holy shit, ol Vernon looks quite feeble minded in that picture. I hope that’s not one he’s using for wooing women. He looks like someone who would yell “I LIKE TATER TOTS!” at you from his porch as you walk on by. Also, I agree with **RedFury** on the “fucking animals” idea. ---
**Author:** ![ajb867](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@ajb867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ajb867)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/58 "2011-04-23T07:08:34Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > You’re an idiot. Do you really think a four minute youtube video can show you what all seizures look like? Seriously, you’re an idiot. The only idiot here is the one with no real medical knowledge trying to troll. Let’s take away even the video aspect of this to maybe something you can grasp more easily. Do you really think someone suffering a traumatic head injury severe enough to cause a seizure is going to then be able to refuse medical attention when the police arrive minutes later? Go ahead, use google I’ll wait patiently. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/59 "2011-04-23T07:11:34Z")
> [@ajb867](#): > > The only idiot here is the one with no real medical knowledge trying to troll. Let’s take away even the video aspect of this to maybe something you can grasp more easily. Do you really think someone suffering a traumatic head injury severe enough to cause a seizure is going to then be able to refuse medical attention when the police arrive minutes later? Go ahead, use google I’ll wait patiently. I’m a nurse who has worked in emergency rooms and trauma centers since I got my license. I’ve seen plenty of seizures and I’ll still say you are an idiot. I-d-i-o-t if you think you can armchair quarterback whether or not that person had a seizure from your keyboard. I’ve been with an ambulance crew where a car accident victim seized twice and refused transport. Fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2011, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/60 "2011-04-23T07:12:29Z")
> [@ajb867](#): > > The only idiot here is the one with no real medical knowledge trying to troll. Let’s take away even the video aspect of this to maybe something you can grasp more easily. Do you really think someone suffering a traumatic head injury severe enough to cause a seizure is going to then be able to refuse medical attention when the police arrive minutes later? Go ahead, use google I’ll wait patiently. The victim didn’t refuse medical attention. It was one of the bystanders who tried to help and was nocked down who refused. The victim was transported to the hospital. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398.md?page=4)