# Shocking, Disturbing Restaurant Assault Vid: Woman Allegedly Beaten Into a Seizure As Employees Laug **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398 "2011-04-22T20:05:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/141 "2011-04-24T13:54:37Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > No, they aren’t. They are either men who place too much importance on traditional gender roles, or they are men with body dysmorphia. Neither of which makes them a woman. Exactly. The victim in this case had no business in a women’s toilet. Not that he deserved the beating, and hopefully he’ll get some form of restitution. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/142 "2011-04-24T14:28:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Why should the owner of the restaurant pay and go broke? Why should he, and presumably his wife and children, lose their income and the money they’ve invested in the store? Why should his employees, most of whom were not involved nor perhaps even working that shift, lose their jobs and benefits? How could the store owner have foreseen that this would happen, and what steps should he have been reasonably expected to take to prevent it happening? Lots of people will be negatively affected and hurt should the franchisee “go broke”, so I’m just wondering what it is that you base your opinon on? The employees were acting under the authority of McDonalds. I’m not saying that the employees did anything wrong as I haven’t even watched the video. But according to your statement, nobody should ever be able to sue a business for an employees’ actions. Perhaps the owner should have hired more competent managers rather than going for the cheapest available? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/143 "2011-04-24T14:38:07Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > The employees were acting under the authority of McDonalds. I’m not saying that the employees did anything wrong as I haven’t even watched the video. Now _I’m_ bewildered. Are you under the impression that it was employees beating up the customer? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/144 "2011-04-24T14:42:51Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Now _I’m_ bewildered. Are you under the impression that it was employees beating up the customer? Negative. As I said, I haven’t even watched the video. I even said that I wasn’t saying that the employees did anything wrong. I do know that they guy recording did something wrong in his failure to provide assistance. However, I’m not sure that’s criminal. I was just commenting on SA’s statement that the owner and employees shouldn’t go out of business due to the actions of the players of this fiasco. If any employees where negligent, then McDonald’s is certainly culpable. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/145 "2011-04-24T14:59:05Z")
I was wondering when the anti-trans people would come out of the woodwork. I’m glad that you’re satisfied with the gender you are. I really am. Others are not so fortunate and not only do they have to deal with primitive and confusing medical and mental health care but they also get to be beaten up when they attempt to live the way they feel most right while assholes on the internet try to make the beatings their fault. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/146 "2011-04-24T15:00:57Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Exactly. The victim in this case had no business in a women’s toilet. Not that he deserved the beating, and hopefully he’ll get some form of restitution. The victim was post-op. She was a woman. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/147 "2011-04-24T15:03:07Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > But according to your statement, nobody should ever be able to sue a business for an employees’ actions. How the fuck did you get that out of his post? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/148 "2011-04-24T15:11:28Z")
How did that guy who posted all over facebook about it know she was a man? Am I missing something? The story began as some race war “Niggas will kill yo’ ass” hysteria, which then morphed into transphobia, and then I think turned into a huge bitch fight between some chicks who thought some other chick was up their man’s junk. First I see two (fat black) girls beating up a (white) girl. Racial undertones run wild, and white people lose their collective shit. Then I see [thesmokinggun.com](http://thesmokinggun.com) which tells me the assailants told the (white) girl and her penis to exit the ladies’ room, at which point she became indignant and a fight ensued. Sources later confirm that the woman was, indeed, transgendered. _Then_ I see the interview with the victim, and apparently the fight began because the attackers thought the victim was trying to get action from one of the attacker’s dudes? So what the shit? Did the girls ever know that the victim was TG? How would they know if she was post-op? Did the TG thing come up as a motive for the assault later? Did the fight start because the victim was flirting with one of the girls’ men, or because the assailants wanted the man out of the women’s restroom? If the victim was post-op, how did that guy know to post all over his facebook page that the victim was born a man? Was she famous around town for being TG? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/149 "2011-04-24T15:13:15Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The victim was post-op. She was a woman. I guess a genetic test would demonstrate that… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/150 "2011-04-24T15:21:27Z")
My favorite part is how you think you’re making a point. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/151 "2011-04-24T15:43:42Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > My favorite part is how you think you’re making a point. I am making a point. The point is that I believe, along with the vast majority of people, that gender is a physical thing, and immutable. There are a very few people of indeterminate gender, genetically speaking, but there’s no reason to think the victim in this case was one of them. Of course he should not have been beaten up. He should also not have been advised by medical professionals that the best treatment for his mental issues is physical surgery. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/152 "2011-04-24T15:48:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I am making a point. The point is that I believe, along with the vast majority of people, that gender is a physical thing, and immutable. > > There are a very few people of indeterminate gender, genetically speaking, but there’s no reason to think the victim in this case was one of them. > > Of course he should not have been beaten up. He should also not have been advised by medical professionals that the best treatment for his mental issues is physical surgery. I think what IS was saying (and even if I’m wrong, it’ll probably turn out to be the case) is that this is the beginning of an argument with Dio, an argument that you can’t win. For the sake of the thread (and your sanity) I’d really suggest that you start a different thread on this subject rather then do it here. If you and Dio get into this here, this thread will be completely derailed and more then like closed by the mods with in the next day or two. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/153 "2011-04-24T15:53:28Z")
Your chromosomes determine your sex. Your gender is a much more complicated beast involving physical, mental, emotional and environmental factors. Anyone who thinks transgendered people are whiny is speaking from a position of ignorance. I don’t give a fuck about the dio show. I give a fuck about the several trans people I know who have to deal with mouthbreathers like Steophan on a regular basis. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/154 "2011-04-24T15:53:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I think what IS was saying (and even if I’m wrong, it’ll probably turn out to be the case) is that this is the beginning of an argument with Dio, an argument that you can’t win. > For the sake of the thread (and your sanity) I’d really suggest that you start a different thread on this subject rather then do it here. If you and Dio get into this here, this thread will be completely derailed and more then like closed by the mods with in the next day or two. Fair enough. I actually probably won’t start another thread, I’ve read enough about this subject to know no-one will ever change their minds on it. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/155 "2011-04-24T15:57:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/156 "2011-04-24T16:05:09Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Your chromosomes determine your sex. Your gender is a much more complicated beast involving physical, mental, emotional and environmental factors. Anyone who thinks transgendered people are whiny is speaking from a position of ignorance. I don’t give a fuck about the dio show. I give a fuck about the several trans people I know who have to deal with mouthbreathers like Steophan on a regular basis. That’s not what I said. If you think I don’t care about their wellbeing, you completely misunderstood my post. I’m saying that I don’t believe that surgery is the way to deal with their issues. You disagree, fair enough. I doubt there’s a constructive debate to be had here, so I’m leaving it now. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/157 "2011-04-24T16:07:46Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Fair enough. I actually probably won’t start another thread, I’ve read enough about this subject to know no-one will ever change their minds on it. I promised myself I wasn’t going to post to this thread. At the beginning it was clear we didn’t know all the details. The girls came back several times, no one was stopping them, some one was recording it, I assumed it wasn’t a random thing and that more details would be coming out…clearly they did. Anyways, I’ve been enjoying just following along with the thread, and I’d be kind of disappointed if it got derailed into a gender vs sex, nature vs nurture or dio vs everyone thread. Especially since the latter would likely get closed ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/158 "2011-04-24T16:41:39Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I think what IS was saying (and even if I’m wrong, it’ll probably turn out to be the case) is that this is the beginning of an argument with Dio, an argument that you can’t win. > For the sake of the thread (and your sanity) I’d really suggest that you start a different thread on this subject rather then do it here. If you and Dio get into this here, this thread will be completely derailed and more then like closed by the mods with in the next day or two. Except in this case \*\*Dio \*\*is correct. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/159 "2011-04-24T16:43:53Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Fair enough. I actually probably won’t start another thread, I’ve read enough about this subject to know no-one will ever change their minds on it. Well, it’s one thing to read about a subject and another to actually talk to the people you’re reading about. That is what changed MY mind about it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/160 "2011-04-24T16:49:48Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I guess a genetic test would demonstrate that… So basically, you’re just trolling, huh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398.md?page=9)