# Shocking, Disturbing Restaurant Assault Vid: Woman Allegedly Beaten Into a Seizure As Employees Laug **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398 "2011-04-22T20:05:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/161 "2011-04-24T16:51:13Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Fair enough. I actually probably won’t start another thread, I’ve read enough about this subject to know no-one will ever change their minds on it. You’ve clearly never read jack shit about the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/162 "2011-04-24T16:52:25Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I promised myself I wasn’t going to post to this thread. At the beginning it was clear we didn’t know all the details. The girls came back several times, no one was stopping them, some one was recording it, I assumed it wasn’t a random thing and that more details would be coming out…clearly they did. Anyways, I’ve been enjoying just following along with the thread, and I’d be kind of disappointed if it got derailed into a gender vs sex, nature vs nurture or dio vs everyone thread. Especially since the latter would likely get closed Why do you keep bringing my name into it? What the fuck did I do? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/163 "2011-04-24T16:55:08Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > That’s not what I said. If you think I don’t care about their wellbeing, you completely misunderstood my post. If you cared about them, you wouldn’t be trolling by using the masculine pronoun. Your intent is to antogonize and to smirk. I don’t care if that’s how you want to view the subject, but don’t pretend you have any concern about their feelings. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/164 "2011-04-24T16:58:23Z")
Wow four in a row. I only posted so that you wouldn’t make it to five. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/165 "2011-04-24T17:16:50Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Except in this case \*\*Dio \*\*is correct. You had to say that, didn’t you? Now he will never stop. 😃 **Dio** , I’m just playing. Nothing intended by it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/166 "2011-04-24T17:27:52Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I think what IS was saying (and even if I’m wrong, it’ll probably turn out to be the case) is that this is the beginning of an argument with Dio, an argument that you can’t win. > For the sake of the thread (and your sanity) I’d really suggest that you start a different thread on this subject rather then do it here. If you and Dio get into this here, this thread will be completely derailed and more then like closed by the mods with in the next day or two. This here was a real dick post. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/167 "2011-04-24T18:26:31Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > How did that guy who posted all over facebook about it know she was a man? Am I missing something? The story began as some race war “Niggas will kill yo’ ass” hysteria, which then morphed into transphobia, and then I think turned into a huge bitch fight between some chicks who thought some other chick was up their man’s junk. > > First I see two (fat black) girls beating up a (white) girl. Racial undertones run wild, and white people lose their collective shit. > > Then I see [thesmokinggun.com](http://thesmokinggun.com) which tells me the assailants told the (white) girl and her penis to exit the ladies’ room, at which point she became indignant and a fight ensued. Sources later confirm that the woman was, indeed, transgendered. > > _Then_ I see the interview with the victim, and apparently the fight began because the attackers thought the victim was trying to get action from one of the attacker’s dudes? > > So what the shit? Did the girls ever know that the victim was TG? How would they know if she was post-op? Did the TG thing come up as a motive for the assault later? Did the fight start because the victim was flirting with one of the girls’ men, or because the assailants wanted the man out of the women’s restroom? If the victim was post-op, how did that guy know to post all over his facebook page that the victim was born a man? Was she famous around town for being TG? [http://www.baltimoresun.com/videobeta/4e64b7a6-b94f-42c1-8ac7-bf480222eda4/News/Victim-speaks-out-about-attack-at-McDonald-s](http://www.baltimoresun.com/videobeta/4e64b7a6-b94f-42c1-8ac7-bf480222eda4/News/Victim-speaks-out-about-attack-at-McDonald-s) They couldn’t know for sure, but she probably seemed transgendered, or transvestite to them. Since she’s had prostitution convictions in the past, she may have been working in the neighborhood at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/168 "2011-04-24T20:33:07Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This here was a real dick post. Not if it’s been surgically removed. If I were to learn that the transgendered woman exposed herself in the restroom, used a racial slur and then slapped the two women it wouldn’t much change the verdict in the case. I’d forgive them their initial slapping of her perhaps but as I said before, the fact that they came back again and again is why they need to be in numbered jumpsuits. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/169 "2011-04-24T20:57:31Z")
Like **MOL** , I would also like to know how the idiot child who filmed (and later facebooked) the whole thing knew this girl was really born a man. And I’d also like to know what REALLY started the whole thing (the victim admits she was intoxicated according to the news report where her interview tape was located). If it really was that they were somehow beating on her because of her gender status, then they had to have known her from before, because it’s not \*that \* obvious she’s a guy. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/170 "2011-04-24T23:56:06Z")
Well, I don’t know how Idiot Child knew, but on the video, when the white woman referred to the victim as “she,” Idiot Child (I think–could have been one of the two standing next to him, but I think it was Idiot Child), burst out laughing with “That’s a man! That’s a man!” ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/171 "2011-04-25T08:08:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The victim was post-op. She was a woman. Whether she was “post-op” (as if there’s one op, which there isn’t) is irrelevant. She’s a woman, period. Because she says so. > [@Steophan](#): > > That’s not what I said. If you think I don’t care about their wellbeing, you completely misunderstood my post. I’m saying that I don’t believe that surgery is the way to deal with their issues. You disagree, fair enough. I doubt there’s a constructive debate to be had here, so I’m leaving it now. I’m glad you’re leaving it now. While you’re gone, think about why you think that you have the requisite knowledge or understanding of the topic to allow a phrase like “I don’t believe that…” to come out of your fingers via the keyboard. What you believe, in your vast ignorance, is so far beyond immaterial that it’s painful that you even bothered typing the words. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/172 "2011-04-25T08:34:14Z")
Even back when I believed pretty close to **Steophan** , I still would never have been such a jerk to refer to someone by a different gender than the one they preferred. You don’t accomplish anything by using the “wrong” gender other than pissing people off. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This here was a real dick post. Bullshit. It’s exactly what a lot of people need to learn to do. Explain things in a way that would make sense to the other side. Come at it from their point of view, even if their point of view is wrong. Mentioning Dio’s inabliity to let something go is something you can count on 99% of the SDMB to agree on, even if, in this case, he would be far from the only one arguing, and would not be wrong to do so. You can always bring it back on topic when we get more information, or just if you want to talk about it. I’d do it myself, but I’m not sure what else is left to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/173 "2011-04-25T08:37:34Z")
Wait. I did think of one thing: I wonder if the law mentioned regards pre-op or even post-op transexuals as their preferred gender. I’m pretty sure some states don’t, and that would mean she broke the law, even if, in my opinion, she was right to do so. (And there’s no way those other people should have taken the law into their own hands–as if that was even possibly their motivation.) ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/174 "2011-04-25T10:14:14Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Whether she was “post-op” (as if there’s one op, which there isn’t) is irrelevant. She’s a woman, period. Because she says so. Eer…so by this reasoning I can use the ladies changing room next time I go swimming just by repeating “I am a lady”? I don’t want to get into a transgendered debate, but I think that’s going a little too far to one end of the spectrum… ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/175 "2011-04-25T11:27:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Bullshit. It’s exactly what a lot of people need to learn to do. Explain things in a way that would make sense to the other side. Come at it from their point of view, even if their point of view is wrong. > > Mentioning Dio’s inabliity to let something go is something you can count on 99% of the SDMB to agree on, even if, in this case, he would be far from the only one arguing, and would not be wrong to do so. You can always bring it back on topic when we get more information, or just if you want to talk about it. > > I’d do it myself, but I’m not sure what else is left to talk about. There was nothing in **Inner Stickler’s** post that was remotely suggestive of **Joey P’s** bullshit. It was pure projection from a member of the Douchebags with Sticks Platoon, and an example of how you dipshits carry this fucking tiresome bullshit from one thread to another trying to provoke shit. Knock it the fuck off because it is fucking played out. The board does not need your Douchebag Show stick-poking shit anymore. Now, let me ask you straight up whether you, **Joey P.** and **PlainJane** agree with **Steophan’s** assertion that there is no such thing as a transgendered person. I’m going to assume that since you are taking up his defense in this thread that you do, and I am thus going to mentally mark you down as a completely regressive shit for brains. Otherwise, if you don’t believe that, then you all are defending the position that there is no such thing as a transgendered person simply for the pure sake of poking Dio with sticks, which makes you look even fucking worse. ---
**Author:** ![Trincomalee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Trincomalee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trincomalee)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/176 "2011-04-25T14:38:16Z")
This all puts me in mind of a case in the UK, when a couple of completely inoffensive cross-dressing ‘girls’ in the Welsh valleys were attacked by drunken thugs (who had already been involved in a barney just up the street). One of the girls was caught by a surprise blow, followed rapidly by three or four hefty punches and a few solid kicks to boot! Fortunately the scene was captured on street surveillance video (see below). [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cJvLTWGs-SE/hqdefault.jpg "Drag queen' floors thugs in Swansea, wales, uk street fight. (with music)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvLTWGs-SE) You can hear a few words from one of the poor girls - Daniel(le) ‘Lights Out’ Lerwell - in the page below. (Suggestive moniker eh?) - and no, your audio is not on the fritz. (If you were expecting Richard Burton!) > **[BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Cage fighters' stag night web hit](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8296190.stm)** > > Cage fighters picked on because they were dressed as women for a stag night are surprised at becoming an internet hit. These ‘Valley Girls’ eh? - though I’ve heard you have some in California as well? Anyway, the story has a happy ending in that the yobs were later rounded up by the local plods and carted off to gaol. Just goes to show that no-one is above the law - (of the jungle that is!) ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/177 "2011-04-25T14:44:02Z")
I’m waiting for the two purveyors of racial justice (Rev.s Sharpton and Jackson) to weigh in on this!😕 ---
**Author:** ![matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@matt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/178 "2011-04-25T15:17:43Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Really? You would have put yourself in front of these chicks? > > What if the she-cows started beating the hell out of you? Does your superior male strength hold out against a 2 on 1 from angry gangster bitches? What happens if the only way for you to survive is punch one of these heifers in the face? No joke, you could go to jail for beating on a woman. Generally speaking, the law sees it as the man’s fault in these kinds of altercations, even if the woman started it. Not wanting to hijack this, but is that seriously the situation in the USA? Two women are kicking someone on the ground and you have to worry about hurting _them_ if you intervene? I got in the way of three women who were kicking at a fourth on the ground a few years back, fortunately without getting hurt, but I was certainly ready to punch full force if they’d turned on me. There were plenty of witnesses to back up that I was preventing an assault if it had come to it. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/179 "2011-04-25T15:21:51Z")
In cases with lots of unbiased onlookers you might be okay. But before you’re so sure about the egalitarianism of the law, check out how it responds to domestic violence by men vs by women. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398/180 "2011-04-25T15:36:09Z")
> [@Trincomalee](#): > > This all puts me in mind of a case in the UK, when a couple of completely inoffensive cross-dressing ‘girls’ in the Welsh valleys were attacked by drunken thugs (who had already been involved in a barney just up the street). > > One of the girls was caught by a surprise blow, followed rapidly by three or four hefty punches and a few solid kicks to boot! > > Fortunately the scene was captured on street surveillance video (see below). > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvLTWGs-SE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvLTWGs-SE) > > You can hear a few words from one of the poor girls - Daniel(le) ‘Lights Out’ Lerwell - in the page below. (Suggestive moniker eh?) > > - and no, your audio is not on the fritz. (If you were expecting Richard Burton!) > > [BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Cage fighters' stag night web hit](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8296190.stm) > > These ‘Valley Girls’ eh? - though I’ve heard you have some in California as well? > > Anyway, the story has a happy ending in that the yobs were later rounded up by the local plods and carted off to gaol. > > Just goes to show that no-one is above the law - (of the jungle that is!) Bwahahahahahaahaha. Man, that was two pretty solid right hooks in less than 2 seconds. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shocking-disturbing-restaurant-assault-vid-woman-allegedly-beaten-into-a-seizure-as-employees-laug/579398.md?page=10)