# Shodan crosses the line **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 28, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803 "2014-08-28T21:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/201 "2014-08-31T15:56:10Z")
I agree with **Bricker** that we need more intelligent conservatives here. Presently all we have are a bunch of posters on the right who either lack the ability or interest to think through issues at any depth. All that we have are a bunch of folks who top out rhetorically at tu quoque ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/202 "2014-08-31T17:33:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And exactly what planet was that experience gained on, might I ask? Because it is obvious as hell, from this paragraph alone, that you do not know jack shit about Republicans. You simply parrot the same ignorant bullshit that has driven almost all the conservative posters away from this board. > > But, hey, why let a simple fact like that stop you from your ranting? Carry on. The right wing information bubble is strong with this one. I can find batshit insane positions from the Republicans that are certifiably untrue about climate change, health care, nativism, and abortion. A few of those batshit insane ideas driving the current crop of Republican leaders (like going against abortion even in the case of rape) are based on **religious** reasons, something that a guy like you should already **know** how dumb is to use that to base one’s positions. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/203 "2014-08-31T17:44:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And exactly what planet was that experience gained on, might I ask? Because it is obvious as hell, from this paragraph alone, that you do not know jack shit about Republicans. You simply parrot the same ignorant bullshit that has driven almost all the conservative posters away from this board. > > But, hey, why let a simple fact like that stop you from your ranting? Carry on. I’m suddenly reminded of the “SLIOTD” thread, where 9 times out of 10 when you posted a stupid liberal idea, you got it shoved back up your ass. I’m sorry, what was ignorant about what I said? That the batshit crazy is almost universally conservative? On a political level, this is _absolutely true_. Are there crazy liberals? Sure! Do they hold positions of political power? NO! And that’s the difference! Of course there’s a liberal analogue to the rhetoric and insanity of Michelle Bachmann, or Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh. I have liberal friends considerably crazier than anything the RNC has to offer. It’s just that the liberal crazies _don’t run the show!_ I fucking challenge you - find a single thing said about republicans/conservatives by Der Trihs that I can’t match with something said by a national or state-level republican politician or an influential republican news personality about democrats/liberals. Oh wait, you can’t, because _Ann Coulter is a thing_. Obama is a moderate. Reid is a moderate. Pelosi is not quite a moderate, but hardly a radical in the same way King or Bachmann or West is. The closest thing the democrats have to a “radical” is Elizabeth Warren, and while she may hold her beliefs strongly, her beliefs don’t include things that the scientific community has firmly rejected for decades, or which are countered by a vast majority of the research in the field. Her beliefs may not gel with the current overton window, but she’s clearly put some thought into it, and it isn’t just insane conspiracy-mongering. But on the right? Acceptance of climatology is essentially a death knell. You have Bachmann, Palin, and co. arguing that defaulting on our debt is not a bad idea. That’s not only completely batshit insane, but to hear that from politicians on a national level should very well be deeply unsettling for the investors who keep our nation afloat. There is NO EQUIVALENCY. None. Nada. Zip. You cannot compare the two parties, and any attempt to do so fails. Politically, scientifically, morally, from the perspective of the media, from the perspective of results, from the perspective of handling national disasters… Every single time, the republicans come out looking either incompetent or _insane_. What fucking planet are you on, huh? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/204 "2014-08-31T18:29:45Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I agree with **Bricker** that we need more intelligent conservatives here. Presently all we have are a bunch of posters on the right who either lack the ability or interest to think through issues at any depth. All that we have are a bunch of folks who top out rhetorically at tu quoque Well I agree with little girls that think we need more unicorns and pegasusii. Conservatism isn’t about intelligence and conservatives are not intelligent except as a coincidence. Conservatives are about greed and self-interest. And hating on black people. Not in that order. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/205 "2014-08-31T18:41:25Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Well I agree with little girls that think we need more unicorns and pegasusii. Conservatism isn’t about intelligence and conservatives are not intelligent except as a coincidence. Conservatives are about greed and self-interest. And hating on black people. Not in that order. You know, it’s a bad thing when **Bricker** and anyone else make sweeping generalizations about liberals and it’s also a bad thing when sweeping generalizations about conservatives are made as well. I know quite a few conservatives about whom I would say your statement is patently false. What applies to a part does not immediately apply to the whole. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/206 "2014-08-31T18:46:21Z")
I’m just glad that we finally have thread where conservatives and liberals can take pot shots at each other. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/207 "2014-08-31T18:46:49Z")
You know, I agreed with Shodan about many of the liberal SDMB posters being pussies. > [@Clothahump](#): > > You simply parrot the same ignorant bullshit that has driven almost all the conservative posters away from this board. What does this say about the conservatives? Pussies. Seriously. :smack: But actually, let’s see a list of names of these disaffected conservatives who were supposedly “driven away.” **Shodan**? Still here. **Sam Stone**? Still here. **Bricker**? Still here. **ITR champion**? Still here. **Clotha**"I’m a blithering idiot, or if I’m not, I play one on the SDMB" **hump**? Still here. **FX**"I believe every climate-change-denying wacko" **Mastermind**? Still here. **Starving**"I’m a deluded fucktard" **Artist**? Still here. **furt**? Still here. **Terr**? Still here. **magellan01**? Still here. **Airman Doors, USAF**? Still here. **Ada**"I stick with my positions no matter how wrong they are demonstrated to be" **her**? Still here. **Debaser**? Still here. **Crafter\_Man**? Still here. **C. Montgomery Burns**? Still here. **elfkin477**? Still here. **FriarTed**? Still here. **puddleglum**? Still here. **jtgain**? Still here. **WillFarnaby**? Still here. **Diceman**? Still here. To be fair, many of the above have self-identified as “libertarian” rather than “conservative,” but in my opinion those I listed have nonetheless in the recent past either staunchly defended a conventional conservative viewpoint, or in a public SDMB poll said they were voting for a Republican. YMMV. But as such, their posts on political topics should please Clothy’s political sensibilities much more often than offend them, I suspect. Hence their presence in the above list, which is by no means intended to be exhaustive. Bottom line: who exactly are these many disaffected, self-exiled conservatives? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/208 "2014-08-31T18:51:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m just glad that we finally have thread where conservatives and liberals can take pot shots at each other. Ain’t that the truth. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/209 "2014-08-31T19:14:32Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Ain’t that the truth. And 5 pages in, I still don’t see what “line” **Shodan** crossed. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/210 "2014-08-31T19:23:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And 5 pages in, I still don’t see what “line” **Shodan** crossed. Neither do I. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/211 "2014-08-31T19:24:58Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Bottom line: who exactly are these many disaffected, self-exiled conservatives? **Brutus** and **Manhattan**. It’s not ‘many’, but it’s a start. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/212 "2014-08-31T19:45:45Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > **Brutus** and **Manhattan**. > > It’s not ‘many’, but it’s a start. 🙂 **Brutus** ’s last activity was on 1-31-2006, so you got one there. Perhaps. However, I cannot find any evidence from his last posts that he was “driven away.” But **manhattan** last posted in June of this year. Too recently to say he’s exiled, in my opinion. Same with **omg a black conservative**. There’s also **Manhattan\_** , but it/she/he was banned after only two posts. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/213 "2014-08-31T20:24:01Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Well I agree with little girls that think we need more unicorns and pegasusii. Conservatism isn’t about intelligence and conservatives are not intelligent except as a coincidence. Conservatives are about greed and self-interest. And hating on black people. Not in that order. …Can we all just say that TSS is a fucking moron and leave it at that? > [@John\_Mace](#): > > And 5 pages in, I still don’t see what “line” **Shodan** crossed. To be fair, neither does anyone else. It was a dumb pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/214 "2014-08-31T20:25:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …Can we all just say that TSS is a fucking moron and leave it at that? He’s the left side’s Clothy. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/215 "2014-08-31T20:45:05Z")
[This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=732682) attempts to address one of the underlying questions being raised here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/216 "2014-08-31T20:51:53Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=732682) attempts to address one of the underlying questions being raised here. Well, that crosses the line!! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/217 "2014-08-31T21:11:46Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > **Brutus** and **Manhattan**. > > It’s not ‘many’, but it’s a start. 🙂 And **John Corrado**. And **manhattan** only came back once to post about the kerfuffle about the sound artist and how he wanted posts deleted from the SDMB, and has not AFAIK posted before and since. So I think he has only technically not been driven away. When he left moderation, I believe he said he did so specifically because this board was actively hostile to conservatives. But enough of this! Less serious discussion in my Pitting! Because I happen to know that **Knorf** uses the pictures and descriptions of the Master’s Tournament without the express written permission of the PGA, and that’s a [felony](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=732479) and the only reason he hasn’t been gunned for it in cold blood is because he’s white! Regards, Shodan PS - you are white, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/218 "2014-08-31T21:14:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m just glad that we finally have thread where conservatives and liberals can take pot shots at each other. Yeah, but it’s not a _real_ thread until someone who stands above such petty bickering offers some disdainful and patronizing commentary in order to suggest their superiority. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/219 "2014-08-31T21:18:01Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Yeah, but it’s not a _real_ thread until someone who stands above such petty bickering offers some disdainful and patronizing commentary in order to suggest their superiority. I’ll let you know when that happens. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/220 "2014-08-31T21:20:30Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > But **manhattan** last posted in June of this year. Too recently to say he’s exiled, in my opinion. Yes, after a long, long hiatus, before which he flat out said the reason he was leaving had to do with how the board had changed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803.md?page=12)