# Shodan crosses the line **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 28, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803 "2014-08-28T21:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/61 "2014-08-29T15:19:40Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > That’s exactly how I read it. There was a rather tiresome repetition of the McConnell line, always parsed in a hyper-literal manner, and that was the only way some people said it could be interpreted. > > And, true to form, in this thread there is the normal SDMB outrage that we can’t all see why it’s different here. Because Reid is _right!_ And the Republicans are _wrong!_ Only Democratic quotes need to be considered in context. Because Republicans are evil obstructionists who want to see the poor suffer and the country go up in flames. If they take the Senate, that can only mean that their lies have taken root! The horror! > > This place is pretty predictable. Right. Consider the following argument: P1. I would do anything for a cup of coffee right now. P2. Mass genocide is a thing. C: I would commit mass genocide for a cup of coffee right now. As anyone can see this argument suffers from false equivocation. The “anything” referred to in premise one obviously refers to anything which is legal and appropriate to the situation, where as premise 2 assumes the literal definition to mean absolutely any and everything in the universe. I think it is a fair thread to criticize political opponents for using this type of fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/62 "2014-08-29T15:21:59Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > This place is pretty predictable. But still pretty entertaining. I mean, come on - that huffy little “How DARE You!!!” OP, and from **BrainGlutton** of all people. And then the [cherry](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17682643&postcount=23) on the shit sundae, and it disappears without a ripple in the sewer of self-righteousness that makes up the SDMB. Comedy gold! Gold, Jerry, I’m telling ya! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/63 "2014-08-29T15:24:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But that’s not nearly the same as the claim that I’m perfectly satisfied, or that they have no plans at all apart from obstructionism. That’s fair. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/64 "2014-08-29T15:27:05Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > But still pretty entertaining. I mean, come on - that huffy little “How DARE You!!!” OP, and from **BrainGlutton** of all people. It’s a pretty weak pitting, for sure. > [@](#): > > And then the [cherry](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17682643&postcount=23) on the shit sundae, and it disappears without a ripple in the sewer of self-righteousness that makes up the SDMB. The irony is not lost on all, I assure you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/65 "2014-08-29T15:27:14Z")
The funny this is that the Democrats have a vested interest in making the King/Bachman Republicans the faces of their opponents. I contend that for the last few years, this has been very easy because it’s largely true. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/66 "2014-08-29T15:36:26Z")
Maybe Shodan’s response to this OP should be along of the lines of [this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17673569&postcount=21) ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/67 "2014-08-29T15:38:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Maybe Shodan’s response to this OP should be along of the lines of [this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17673569&postcount=21) Hah! That’s perfect. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/68 "2014-08-29T15:38:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Don’t call other posters motherfuckers, **BrainGlutton**. > [/Moderating] Sorry, missed that sticky. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/69 "2014-08-29T15:41:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The funny this is that the Democrats have a vested interest in making the King/Bachman Republicans the faces of their opponents. I contend that for the last few years, this has been very easy because it’s largely true. Of course, as a liberal, you have the same vested interest in seeing it that way. What’s ironic is that you don’t appreciate this. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/70 "2014-08-29T15:42:27Z")
[QUOTE=iiandyiiii] The funny this is that the Democrats have a vested interest in making the King/Bachman Republicans the faces of their opponents. I contend that for the last few years, this has been very easy because it’s largely true [/QUOTE] That must be why they control the House and are poised to take over the Senate. But enough of this, and darn you, **Bricker** for injecting serious discussion into **my** Pitting! Less logic, and more scatology. Make it so! [QUOTE=John Mace] Maybe Shodan’s response to this OP should be along of the lines of this. [/QUOTE] Whatsamatta - don’t you read my signoff? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/71 "2014-08-29T15:43:35Z")
What are the contrary facts \*\*iiandyiiii \*\*and the rest of us should consider in making that judgment? What reason is there to offer to consider it a partisan, rather than objective, conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/72 "2014-08-29T15:49:48Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Of course, as a liberal, you have the same vested interest in seeing it that way. > > What’s ironic is that you don’t appreciate this. Sure, I appreciate this. I think it’s true too, but I’m also glad that it’s somewhat easy to paint King/Bachmann/Cruz as the prime-mover of the political opposition, as opposed to, say, Paul or Christie. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/73 "2014-08-29T15:50:08Z")
Let’s all calm down. No one is disputing the current Republican Party has been immoral and devoid of an agenda other than hate and obstruction. And I doubt even Shodan believes Reid’s statement was improper or misguided. So, we probably should be able to find middle ground and end this partisan bickering. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/74 "2014-08-29T15:52:13Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Let’s all calm down. No one is disputing the current Republican Party has been immoral and devoid of an agenda other than hate and obstruction. And I doubt even Shodan believes Reid’s statement was improper or misguided. So, we probably should be able to find middle ground and end this partisan bickering. Where’s the fun in that? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/75 "2014-08-29T15:59:33Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > So, we probably should be able to find middle ground and end this partisan bickering. Kill the commie!! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/76 "2014-08-29T15:59:47Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > No one is disputing the current Republican Party has been immoral and devoid of an agenda other than hate and obstruction. No one? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/77 "2014-08-29T16:04:27Z")
I’m pretty sure he’s being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/78 "2014-08-29T16:24:04Z")
Look, there is no higher priority for the GOP than regaining control of the Senate. And obstructing Obama. And enslaving the poor. OK - among our chief priorities are such diverse elements as regaining control of the Senate, obstructing Obama, enslaving the poor, and polo. I’ll come in again. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/79 "2014-08-29T16:25:11Z")
I wish it were possible to be sure - especially since \*\*Bricker \*\*and his wannabe \*\*Shodan \*\*are indeed among the deniers, on this very page. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/80 "2014-08-29T16:28:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sure, I appreciate this. I think it’s true too, but I’m also glad that it’s somewhat easy to paint King/Bachmann/Cruz as the prime-mover of the political opposition, as opposed to, say, Paul or Christie. It’s all easy as long as the audience is limited to yourself and a likeminded audience. Enjoy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803.md?page=5)