# Shodan crosses the line **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 28, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803 "2014-08-28T21:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/101 "2014-08-29T17:58:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, so his being blackish isn’t a factor at all? Not the least little bit? There are no racists any more, all gone? And if it is a factor, how do you define it, how do you quantify it? Let me make sure I understand your question before I answer. Are you defending those who broadly attribute disagreement with Obama with racism? Are you making my point for me? Or did you perhaps interpret my post to imply that I thought there were no racists who hate Obama because he’s black? If it’s the latter, let me clarify: there is a greater-than-zero group of people (I don’t know the number) who hate Obama principally because he’s black. That is not, however, a good foundation for assuming most disagreements with the president are motivated by racism. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/102 "2014-08-29T18:03:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Yeah, see, the issue with this is that you’re simply wrong. In many issues, there’s no equivalency. There’s no balance. There’s right and there’s wrong. Just to take up a handful of issues I’ve seen on this board for which those on the right have completely failed to bring up a convincing argument: voter ID, climate change, health care, and gay marriage. What you’re describing is a fantasy. It doesn’t happen. I mean, what’s going on? Are the righties here on the forum particularly stupid? No, I’ve seen enough of the internet to believe that, say, **Bricker** is at least representative of _average_ (if not way, way, _way_ \*above \*average). It’s just that the right wing doesn’t have anything. The arguments against healthcare reform, for voter ID, against action on climate change, and against gay marriage are intellectually (and frequently morally) bankrupt. There’s ideological blinkering going on here, but it’s not what you think. Yes, yes, you’re making my point. You cannot conceive of any counter argument, therefore it doesn’t exist. It is simply axiomatic for you that you’re right, therefore no debate is possible. It’s all white noise, pretending to be argument, but it can’t be, it’s so self-evidently wrong. By the way, you want “conservatives” to be a monolithic group who uniformly hold ideas you can knock down, but even there you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/103 "2014-08-29T18:03:33Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Oh, **Shodan** said a thing that was like a thing from before, and it was stupid then but this is a different thing, kind of, and that has _crossed a line_. Shut the fuck up. Jesus christ. It’s **Shodan** ; it’s not like he’s hiding what he thinks about you. If I click on a link that is purporting to show god-damned **Shodan** crossing a line he hasn’t previously crossed, it better be a link to a video set in an animal shelter, not some fucking post where he said something exactly the same as the shit everyone is always saying about everything. Just to respond to this: it seems to me like on the first page, most of the posters were of the conclusion that this was a pretty stupid thread title. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > Yes, yes, you’re making my point. You cannot conceive of any counter argument, therefore it doesn’t exist. It is simply axiomatic for you that you’re right, therefore no debate is possible. It’s all white noise, pretending to be argument, but it can’t be, it’s so self-evidently wrong. > > By the way, you want “conservatives” to be a monolithic group who uniformly hold ideas you can knock down, but even there you’re wrong. You misunderstand - I’m not saying there are no arguments, I’m saying I’ve heard what republicans by and large have to offer and it’s _crap_. Complete and utter garbage with no redeeming value. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/104 "2014-08-29T18:03:53Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > You’re out of your gourd. The most frequent liberal posters around here have easily lapped the conservative field lately in terms of total volume of grating gobshite rhetoric. The horseshit-per-post title is way too close to call at this early stage of the game. > > There have been pages and pages of threads recently where genuinely every poster involved was a waste of time and a jackass. I don’t think very many posters here are more liberal than me, so it’s not like this is a partisan thing. The arguments aren’t even smart enough to be evaluated as partisan arguments. It’s more like watching a team of asshole dogs with no limbs fighting a larger, more insane and annoying team of blind, coked-up rabbits. There are no winners here. > > Oh, **Shodan** said a thing that was like a thing from before, and it was stupid then but this is a different thing, kind of, and that has _crossed a line_. Shut the fuck up. Jesus christ. It’s **Shodan** ; it’s not like he’s hiding what he thinks about you. If I click on a link that is purporting to show god-damned **Shodan** crossing a line he hasn’t previously crossed, it better be a link to a video set in an animal shelter, not some fucking post where he said something exactly the same as the shit everyone is always saying about everything. Well said, Jim. We should all keep in mind that **BG** has some of the whackiest political ideas of anyone on this MB. And that’s fine. Great for him. Not sure why he so smugly thinks he’s right all the time, but who really cares. Fortunately, there are plenty of sane lefties on this board who can represent that side well. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/105 "2014-08-29T18:04:44Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > You’re right, there are virtually no examples of people attributing disagreements with Obama to racism. And on those rare, rare occasions, the lefties shout down the person who dares to utter such slander. Yeah, some one is delusional here, you’re right. You forgot to mention all the Pittings and abuse the lefties heaped on anyone who dared to use the McConnell quote as evidence of anything. There must have been almost one, at least! [QUOTE=Knorf] b bvvnn jn n m muyji8jujhuuhmi9\\\ edfgfgvfgvfrvgfdgvasdasde3qws12 [/QUOTE] It’s hard to argue with this, at least without a stiff drink. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/106 "2014-08-29T18:07:56Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You misunderstand - I’m not saying there are no arguments, I’m saying I’ve heard what republicans by and large have to offer and it’s _crap_. Complete and utter garbage with no redeeming value. I understood perfectly. There’s no equivalency; there’s no balance; there’s right and there’s wrong, and you have decreed that your tribe is on the side of the angels. There is simply no good argument you have heard on the other side. It’s all crap. I get it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/107 "2014-08-29T18:40:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Not sure why he so smugly thinks he’s right all the time, but who really cares. To be fair, when haven’t you smugly thought you were right? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/108 "2014-08-29T18:41:33Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > There is simply no good argument you have heard on the other side. It’s all crap. I get it. So, \*you \*got anything? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/109 "2014-08-29T18:50:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So, \*you \*got anything? :dubious: Elvis, you are the worst offender, frankly. Just to confirm: do you truly believe that the lack of response to your “so, prove to me that it’s not objectively so that the Republican party is immoral and devoid of an agenda other than hate and obstruction” is evidence that you’re correct, that you have an objective truth? Could it be that it’s an idiotic question? Think hard now before you answer. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/110 "2014-08-29T18:52:32Z")
So, no you don’t, just whining. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/111 "2014-08-29T18:53:55Z")
The Elections forum has become a de facto Politics Pit. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, but it probably keeps a lot of bile-spewing out of GD. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/112 "2014-08-29T18:54:33Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > Elvis, you are the worst offender, frankly. Just to confirm: do you truly believe that the lack of response to your “so, prove to me that it’s not objectively so that the Republican party is immoral and devoid of an agenda other than hate and obstruction” is evidence that you’re correct, that you have an objective truth? Could it be that it’s an idiotic question? Think hard now before you answer. The problem here is that your first sentence is inconsistent with your last. Do you truly believe that Elvis thinking hard about this - or anything else FTM - (assuming he’s capable of such a feat) is ever going to accomplish anything? Think hard now before _you_ answer. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/113 "2014-08-29T18:59:01Z")
Still thinking about it, I see. Take all the time you need. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/114 "2014-08-29T19:04:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > On what basis do you say the crowd is highly partisan instead of _factual and objective_? “Straight Dope News - fair and balanced.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/115 "2014-08-29T19:05:09Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/116 "2014-08-29T19:06:10Z")
I’m confused. I don’t remember anyone arguing that the McConnell was being taken out of context. Can someone link such an argument, made before the comment made by **Shodan**? I’ll admit that, unlike **Bricker** , **Shodan** doesn’t actually seem to be here to fight liberal ignorance but rather to rub people’s noses in it, and that makes him more annoying than **Bricker** (in politics), but it’s nothing new and no line has been crossed. As for the racist thing, it’s largely not conscious. All I do is put Clinton in Obama’s place. If things still work, it isn’t racist. If they don’t, then it is, whether people mean it to be or not. Racism isn’t just about people who hate black people. It’s about seeing people of a difference race as an OTHER. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/117 "2014-08-29T19:08:56Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’ll admit that, unlike **Bricker** , **Shodan** doesn’t actually seem to be here to fight liberal ignorance but rather to rub people’s noses in it, and that makes him more annoying than **Bricker** (in politics), but it’s nothing new and no line has been crossed. Trolling isn’t crossing a line? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/118 "2014-08-29T19:18:39Z")
Defining “trolling” as “posting opinions at variance with the latest leftist spin” or “giving as good as you get on a liberal messageboard” - that’s crossing a line. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/119 "2014-08-29T19:21:06Z")
You actually think “Yer all dum an you suck” is an _opinion_! That’s so cute! You know what trolling is, having confessed to it previously. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803/120 "2014-08-29T19:23:19Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > To be fair, when haven’t you smugly thought you were right? 😃 There’s a differnce. I am right. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-crosses-the-line/696803.md?page=7)