# Shodan, HurricaneDitka, and George Zimmerman: Three Racist Peas in a Racist Pod **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691 "2018-12-06T17:46:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/81 "2018-12-10T12:59:19Z")
> [@pool](#): > > … I don’t think I would have been racist or in the wrong to shoot such a person if I didn’t think or know that they would stop. I agree with Shodan but I don’t expect most posters on this board to agree with me. In your worldview, **pool** trying to urinate in private, and **Zimmerman** confronting a stranger with hostility are comparable events? 😕 Did you take your gun with you hoping to have an argument? > [@Babale](#): > > At the end of the day, an unarmed black kid who was not committing any crimes before Zimmerman came on the scene is dead. Before we move forward, can we just agree that this is a bad thing? That even if Zimmerman was right to fear for his life, it was tragic that Trayvon ended up dead? Because as far as I can tell, neither you nor **HurricaneDitka** ever acknowledged this. I’m also curious whether \*\*Hurricane \*\*and his ilk would be capable of acknowledging this in their hearts. But I don’t think their responses in the thread would answer this one way or the other. They might be happy a nigger was killed but pretend otherwise to keep up their “I am not a racist” charade. Or, they might understand that the manslaughter was a tragedy but fear that to admit it would undermine their case. What we can agree on is that they take great pride in being ruled by their amygdalae and reptilian brains. While liberals are dawdling to make assessments of guilt or innocence, **Hurricane** and his ilk will have bravely shot all the possible “bad guys” dead, leaving God to sort them out. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/82 "2018-12-10T14:05:03Z")
> [@K2500](#): > > As BPC notes, context is everything. I can assure you that both forms can be spoken to mean the exact same thing. “Can be,” certainly. “Nigga” admittedly exists in a liminal space of derivation; I would argue that it has clearly moved past simply being a variant of “nigger.” ---
**Author:** ![K2500](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f6c823/32.png) [@K2500](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K2500)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/83 "2018-12-10T15:05:55Z")
> [@andros](#): > > “Can be,” certainly. “Nigga” admittedly exists in a liminal space of derivation; I would argue that it has clearly moved past simply being a variant of “nigger.” But still a variant, and still very context dependent. They’re close enough that for me, among the whitest of whites, the chances that that divergence will be recognized by the listener are so small as to be indistinguishable. Of course it could just be the delivery, I’m well known for being so dry its hard to tell humor from seriousness. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/84 "2019-06-10T12:34:26Z")
What a shock that **Shodan** , [who thinks it’s sometimes okay to call black people by the n-word](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58), makes a GD [quasi-pitting thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21689909#post21689909) about a black Democratic US representative, baselessly implying incest and implicitly spreading baseless and slanderous conspiracy theories about her. I wonder if **Shodan** thinks she qualifies to be called by the n-word? Also, I wonder if he’s not too cowardly to actually say whether he thinks so or not? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/85 "2019-06-10T12:52:08Z")
Didn’t read the cites, did you? Ah well. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/86 "2019-06-10T12:57:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Didn’t read the cites, did you? Ah well. > > Regards, > > Shodan I read all your cites, actually. But I take it you are, in fact, afraid to tell us if you feel Omar qualifies as the N word? Just a yes or no would suffice. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/87 "2019-06-10T13:35:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Didn’t read the cites, did you? Ah well. Is this the entirety of what you’re basing your accusation of incest upon? > [@](#): > > During the investigation, the Omar committee provided responses explaining that after Rep. Omar won the primary for Minnesota House of Representatives District 60B in August 2016, **a blog posted an article with allegations that Rep. Omar was not married to the person she referred to as her husband, and that she was actually married to her brother** as part of an immigration scheme. The Omar committee created a crisis committee to respond to the allegations. Based on what you have presented, there’s more sourcing to the allegations that a pizza parlor in DC is actually a secret child sex ring run by the Clintons. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/88 "2019-06-10T13:37:57Z")
There is no evidence put forward in any of the cites, or in Snopes, that Omar married her brother. It’s an evidence free smear. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/89 "2019-06-10T13:57:26Z")
It’s **Shodan** ’s new SOP - make a claim that people didn’t read his cites (regardless of whether they did or not), add a hefty serving of snide insinuation that they therefore haven’t rebutted his points while carefully avoiding actually saying that to avoid having to defend his position, and then ignore all material follow-up questions. It’s his new method of “who, me?” trolling. He used to be much more circumspect about his approach but he’s definitely creeping over the line more and more these days. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/90 "2019-06-10T14:10:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s **Shodan** ’s new SOP - make a claim that people didn’t read his cites (regardless of whether they did or not), add a hefty serving of snide insinuation that they therefore haven’t rebutted his points while carefully avoiding actually saying that to avoid having to defend his position, and then ignore all material follow-up questions. It’s his new method of “who, me?” trolling. > > He used to be much more circumspect about his approach but he’s definitely creeping over the line more and more these days. This is a guy who thinks that “Hispanic” is a race, as per his first post in this thread saying that Zimmerman was “half Hispanic/half white”. You can’t fix stupid. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/91 "2019-06-10T14:53:36Z")
And he’s warned about it, with the thread closed: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21690204&postcount=27](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21690204&postcount=27) ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/92 "2019-06-10T16:15:30Z")
I agree that Zimmerman should be held responsible for Martin’s death because he stalked and killed an unarmed individual who was not committing aggression against person or property. That said, there is no evidence that he acted the way he did because he is racist or harbored racist feelings towards Martin or “black” people in general. That part has been fabricated out of whole cloth. Even if Zimmerman was shown to be a racist before and after the murder, there is no way to say if that is what caused him to kill Martin. I don’t understand the racist angle in the case to be so important to the anti-Zimmermans. It will only provoke knee-jerk reactions and an inability to discuss the case. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/93 "2019-06-10T16:17:57Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > This is a guy who thinks that “Hispanic” is a race, as per his first post in this thread saying that Zimmerman was “half Hispanic/half white”. You can’t fix stupid. This is a guy who thinks race isn’t a social construct, therefore “Hispanic” could very well be a race just as easily as “black” or “white”. Please tell me more about your scientific approach to race identification. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/94 "2019-06-10T16:22:28Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/95 "2019-06-10T16:27:22Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > This is a guy who thinks race isn’t a social construct, therefore “Hispanic” could very well be a race just as easily as “black” or “white”. > > Please tell me more about your scientific approach to race identification. Fuck off, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/96 "2019-06-10T18:13:48Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > This is a guy who thinks that “Hispanic” is a race, as per his first post in this thread saying that Zimmerman was “half Hispanic/half white”. It’s apparently not just my cites - you people don’t appear to read anything, like the OP of this thread, which said, referring to Zimmerman > [@](#): > > Because he’s a white man, and using a gun in “self defense”, and so is beyond reproach. > [@](#): > > You can’t fix stupid. Apparently not. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/97 "2019-06-10T18:53:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s apparently not just my cites - you people don’t appear to read anything, like the OP of this thread, which said, referring to Zimmerman > Apparently not. > > Regards, > Shodan So says the certified troll. Disregards… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/98 "2019-06-10T18:59:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s apparently not just my cites Which cites of yours provided even a shred of evidence that Omar married her brother? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/99 "2019-06-10T19:09:07Z")
Hey, can someone post something accusing **Shodan** of being a goat fucker, so we can all follow him around the message board noting that he’s an accused goat fucker? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/100 "2019-06-10T19:12:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Which cites of yours provided even a shred of evidence that Omar married her brother? So you didn’t read the title of my OP either. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691.md?page=6)