# Shodan, HurricaneDitka, and George Zimmerman: Three Racist Peas in a Racist Pod **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691 "2018-12-06T17:46:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/121 "2019-06-11T12:43:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I took the high road once. Almost died of loneliness. Trying moving to Colorado, you’ll have plenty of company. I am of course talking about the high road to Mount Evans. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/122 "2019-06-11T13:15:51Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So you didn’t read the title of my OP either. > > Regards, > Shodan It feels like you’ve really gone around a bend but maybe with the slower traffic nowadays behavior like this just stands out more. Tell me, 19 years ago when you joined up here, did you ever think you would be repeating unsubstantiated incest rumours just to piss off the libtards? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/123 "2019-06-11T14:16:36Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > Maybe you could read the Wikipedia page on the tragedy, complete with cites to the witnesses and court case, which shows you are wrong. > > Nobody did in the dedicated SMDB thread, so I’ll be surprised if you do. Perhaps you can summarize the evidence which say I’m wrong. Was Martin committing crimes against person or property while he was being pursued by an armed Zimmerman? If not I find it hard to excuse Zimmerman’s conduct. Haven’t got into the case for some time. I watched Zimmerman’s walkthrough of the crime scene at one point and from his perspective he had no legitimate reason to pursue Martin. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/124 "2019-06-11T16:36:14Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Was Martin committing crimes against person or property while he was being pursued by an armed Zimmerman? No, Martin wasn’t committing any crimes while Zimmerman was pursuing him. That came later. > [@](#): > > Perhaps you can summarize the evidence which say I’m wrong. OK. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I agree that Zimmerman should be held responsible for Martin’s death because he stalked and killed an unarmed individual who was not committing aggression against person or property. A summary of the evidence that Martin was committing aggression against Zimmerman would include that Martin punched Zimmerman in the face (evidence: marks on Martin’s knuckles consistent with having punched someone, Zimmerman’s facial injuries, lack of any damage to Martin apart from the single gunshot wound), Martin knocked Zimmerman down and sat on his chest bashing his head on the ground (evidence: lacerations to Zimmerman’s head, grass stains and moisture on Zimmerman’s back and Martin’s knees, witness testimony stating that Martin was on top of Zimmerman), and that Martin did so because Zimmerman asked him “what are you doing around here” (evidence: Dee Dee’s testimony on what she heard Martin and Zimmerman say to each other). > [@](#): > > I watched Zimmerman’s walkthrough of the crime scene at one point and from his perspective he had no legitimate reason to pursue Martin. From Zimmerman’s perspective, his reason to follow Martin was that there had been multiple break-ins in the neighborhood and at least one shooting, and Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch. If by “legitimate” you mean “legal”, it is legal to follow someone and to ask what they are doing. Trials are about what’s legal. Thus following somebody is legal, attacking them and smashing their head into the ground is not. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/125 "2019-06-11T17:19:45Z")
What Zimmerman did pre-fight was tacky, dumb, racist, but 100% legal. What Martin did when he approached Zimmerman in the street was 100% illegal, and in that state, Zimmerman’s response was within the law. So would it have happened if Zimmerman wasn’t as a-hole? No. But it also wouldn’t have happened if Martin had not gone out in search of him, either. Or if Martin had gone out, found him, and engaged in a verbal confrontation (e.g. What’s your deal a-hole? Why are you following me?) Bashing anyone’s head in the street because you are mad they were following you, whatever the dumb reasoning or intent, is not a reasonable reaction in the eyes of the law. So while you can empathisize with Martin’s feelings and reactions, and the senseless loss of life, the truth is he would be alive if he had not initiated a violent life-threatening confrontation with someone who was NOT putting his life in immediate jeopardy. The fact Zimmerman is basically glad it happened and would love to do it again makes it all the more sickening and offensive, but the only law broken here unfortunately was by Martin. There was a recent incident where a racist woman challenged a black man’s reason for being in her apartment building, and it turned out, he lived there. If his reaction to this had been jumping on her and bashing her head on the ground, he would be guilty of a crime, she would not- pretty much same thing here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/126 "2019-06-11T17:28:25Z")
Congratulations on yet another successful self-serving hijacking of a topic, **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/127 "2019-06-11T17:41:48Z")
You can’t manage to sustain a Pitting, and that’s supposed to be my fault? Pardon my lack of contrition. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/128 "2019-06-11T17:42:03Z")
It’s not a hijack. He’s just helpfully providing more material for the thread topic. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/129 "2019-06-11T17:55:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You can’t manage to sustain a Pitting, and that’s supposed to be my fault? Pardon my lack of contrition. > > Regards, > Shodan I guess you’re an empty nester now and making a loud display of your lack of contrition is just the hobby you decided to go with. I’m more of a golf guy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/130 "2019-06-11T17:57:18Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I guess you’re an empty nester now and making a loud display of your lack of contrition is just the hobby you decided to go with. I’m more of a golf guy. By his posts, introspection is not **Shodan** ’s style (I really like the question you asked in post #122). Which is a shame, because I think it’s clear he’s a smart guy. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/131 "2019-06-11T18:10:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Mocking ridiculous posts is fun. If someone makes a ridiculous post spreading a bullshit and slanderous conspiracy theory, they might get mocked. No big deal. Sure, I like mocking. But it’s possible to mock someone without resorting to “haha, he fucks sheep! Or maybe he doesn’t! DERP!” :rolleyes: see? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/132 "2019-06-11T18:24:05Z")
Oh come on - it’s all in good fun. Go Molest a Baboon, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/133 "2019-06-11T18:25:48Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Oh come on - it’s all in good fun. > > Go Molest a Baboon, > Shodan Shut up sheep fucker! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/134 "2019-06-11T18:25:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, I like mocking. But it’s possible to mock someone without resorting to “haha, he fucks sheep! Or maybe he doesn’t! DERP!” :rolleyes: > > see? > > 🙂 There are many ways to mock… ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/135 "2019-06-11T18:30:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There are many ways to mock… yes, but the thread would be a better read if more people aimed for South Park instead of Brickleberry, Bill Hicks instead of Carlos Mencia:) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/136 "2019-06-11T18:34:24Z")
…Some of which are creative and entertaining, and the rest come from **Czarcasm**. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/137 "2019-06-11T18:54:47Z")
I started reading the thread but was taken aback by the following, even before I got to the “bump.” > [@Babale](#): > > > [@Heffalump and Roo](#): > > > > I wasn’t there, and that’s not my question. > > > > I live in a place where I know the people who live around me. I generally know the people visiting them. If I see someone wandering around their places that doesn’t look like they belong, what are the options I have? > > > > Do the options differ based on the color of their skin? > > Why do you say Trayvon didn’t belong? His father lived in that community and Trayvon was living with him. Do you think Zimmerman personally knew every person in the area? If not, what reason did he have for thinking that Trayvon was “suspicious” aside from race? > > As for your options: > > 1. mind your own business. > 2. no, that’s it. > > You don’t get to say someone looks like he “doesn’t belong”. If they are doing something illegal, or something that looks like it might be illegal, you call the cops. If they just look like they don’t “belong” you mind your own business. **Mr. Heffalump** , am I correct to assume you are a foreigner who knows nothing at all about the Martin killing? In particular you seem ignorant of the fact that _ **Zimmermann had called the police and the police instructed him that they were on the way and NOT to follow the suspect.** _ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/138 "2019-06-11T18:59:44Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m also curious whether \*\*Hurricane \*\*and his ilk would be capable of acknowledging this in their hearts. But I don’t think their responses in the thread would answer this one way or the other. They might be happy a nigger was killed but pretend otherwise to keep up their “I am not a racist” charade. Or, they might understand that the manslaughter was a tragedy but fear that to admit it would undermine their case… I have exactly two Dopers set to _Ignore_ and those two are exactly equal to the two Dopers named in thread title. 🆒 Did either of the two Dopers ever answer the question implied in my above post? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/139 "2019-06-11T19:14:05Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > yes, but the thread would be a better read if more people aimed for South Park instead of Brickleberry, Bill Hicks instead of Carlos Mencia:) Saying that Shodan does NOT fuck goats - well, who can be sure? There are those rumors that nobody has been able to disprove - is exactly in the wheelhouse of South Park. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691/140 "2019-06-11T19:15:37Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Perhaps you can summarize the evidence which say I’m wrong. Was Martin committing crimes against person or property while he was being pursued by an armed Zimmerman? If not I find it hard to excuse Zimmerman’s conduct. > > Haven’t got into the case for some time. I watched Zimmerman’s walkthrough of the crime scene at one point and from his perspective he had no legitimate reason to pursue Martin. I don’t think you’ll be satisfied by anyone’s summary. So please read the whole Wikipedia article. Or start at ‘Background of the Shooting’ and see where reading takes you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-hurricaneditka-and-george-zimmerman-three-racist-peas-in-a-racist-pod/825691.md?page=8)