# Shodan, this is a disgusting attitude **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027 "2008-05-20T22:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/21 "2008-05-21T00:14:48Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] Aw, sure you would. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Well, maybe. But not seven posts! Three, maybe four, tops. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/22 "2008-05-21T00:15:43Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] I hope none of the people horrified posted [in this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420947) For the record, not a Kennedy fan, but yeah, wouldn’t see a need to be mean about it. Man served (serves) his country the way he thought (thinks) best, and I can respect that. [/QUOTE] Isn’t that thread in the pit? Is it really the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/23 "2008-05-21T00:19:50Z")
_Class_ is one of those hard to define things. You know it when you see it. You know someone doesn’t have it when you see it. I seen it. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/24 "2008-05-21T00:21:05Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] In all fairness, if Dick Cheney were in that hospital bed I would, like every good and decent American, be praying to Og to increase his suffering and yet hasten his end. But I don’t know as I’d post about it. [/QUOTE] Well, your honesty is to be admired. I personally don’t see much point in hoping physical suffering on someone who will no longer be a relevant political force. Even Pinochet. But I do think that Pinochet should have some kind of official legal reckoning–it’s the history books that matter most, to me. The Kennedys have had their faults, but they haven’t caused the kind of suffering that Pinochet has (unless you believe that John F. Kennedy was responsible for the Vietnam war, which is conceivably debatable.) ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/25 "2008-05-21T00:22:22Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] What is with the stupid knee-jerk urge to go straight for the bullshit tu quoque argument? [/QUOTE] Are you one of the hypocrites? Then don’t worry about it. [Quote=What Exit?] Isn’t that thread in the pit? Is it really the same thing? [/quote] So **Orbifold’s** plea for basic human decency doesn’t count if it’s in the pit? Like I said, I agree that there’s no reason to be mean to Kennedy. But let’s be realistic - for some people this is a case of IOKIYAD (or R, alternately, of course, not denying that). ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/26 "2008-05-21T00:25:20Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] In all seriousness, if Shodan believes Ted Kennedy to be a murderer, is he still obligated to respect the man’s life, feel sorry about his illness, and eventually mourn his death? [/QUOTE] That’s the funny thing about the moral high ground. It’s where you’re actually supposed to be. YES, respect the man’s life. YES, feel sorry about his illness. YES, mourn his death. Because life is suffering and some deaths, hell most of them, are just miserable ways to die, and however much you dislike the man and whatever bullshit conspiracy theories you believe that doesn’t change what is the right and decent thing for YOU to do. Taking satisfaction from a man’s death is wrong, even if it makes you feel good, so suck it up and do the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/27 "2008-05-21T00:27:19Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Are you one of the hypocrites? Then don’t worry about it. [/QUOTE] Oh goody, I pass your little test. I get…what? Points? A cookie? I handwritten certificate from **ArizonaTeach** , saying that I have official permission to believe that taking satisfaction in another man’s suffering is wrong? Be still my fluttering heart. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/28 "2008-05-21T00:28:52Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] Oh goody, I pass your little test. I get…what? Points? A cookie? I handwritten certificate from **ArizonaTeach** , saying that I have official permission to believe that taking satisfaction in another man’s suffering is wrong? Be still my fluttering heart. [/QUOTE] Wow, you really are sensitive. I’ll make sure the eggshells are still intact when you walk into a thread. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/29 "2008-05-21T00:30:32Z")
I really don’t see the issue here. Having a deep and visceral hatred for opposing politicos is just how we operate in this country. Happily, the most visible politicians are usually the sort of people that it’s fine to celebrate their removal from this earth. It’s a natural impulse, and it’s not worth a pitting. You feel disgusted at Shodan when he cackles over the death of a drunken murderer, and he can feel disgusted at you when you get your jollies off when a right-wing piece of shit craps out. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/30 "2008-05-21T00:37:23Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] Aw, sure you would. 🙂 In all seriousness, if Shodan believes Ted Kennedy to be a murderer, is he still obligated to respect the man’s life, feel sorry about his illness, and eventually mourn his death? ETA: In particular, a murderer who he may believe has cravenly gotten away with the crime? Who has lived a better life than the vast majority of us, rich and highly respected? Who seems completely unrepentant and unwilling to accept responsibility for his actions? This he has to respect? [/QUOTE] WWJD? Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/31 "2008-05-21T00:37:46Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] So **Orbifold’s** plea for basic human decency doesn’t count if it’s in the pit? Like I said, I agree that there’s no reason to be mean to Kennedy. But let’s be realistic - for some people this is a case of IOKIYAD (or R, alternately, of course, not denying that). [/QUOTE] Well, I already admitted I am not a better man. I would be one of the ones verbally dancing on Cheney’s grave. I think Shodan should feel free to express his satisfaction in Ted Kennedy’s problems, he just should have chosen a more appropriate location, maybe he should have started a thread to do so. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/32 "2008-05-21T00:39:32Z")
[QUOTE=guizot] Well, your honesty is to be admired. I personally don’t see much point in hoping physical suffering on someone who will no longer be a relevant political force. Even Pinochet. But I do think that Pinochet should have some kind of official legal reckoning–it’s the history books that matter most, to me. The Kennedys have had their faults, but they haven’t caused the kind of suffering that Pinochet has (unless you believe that John F. Kennedy was responsible for the Vietnam war, which is conceivably debatable.) [/QUOTE] But, but, what about Hitler!?!?\* - 😉 (check you PMs) ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/33 "2008-05-21T00:46:25Z")
[QUOTE=Mtgman] WWJD? Enjoy, Steven [/QUOTE] The Jesus I believe in expects people to be repentant before he forgives them. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/34 "2008-05-21T00:50:21Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] The Jesus I believe in expects people to be repentant before he forgives them. [/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, what is it Jesus said that makes you believe that he has such an expectation? As a follow-up, what is it Jesus said that makes you believe he would approve of **Shodan’s** attitude? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Charogne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecd19e/32.png) [@Charogne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charogne)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/35 "2008-05-21T00:50:25Z")
The Jesus you claim to believe in MIGHT want you to check some of that pride in your tone at the Pearly Gate. Just sayin’ ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/36 "2008-05-21T00:50:27Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Wow, you really are sensitive. I’ll make sure the eggshells are still intact when you walk into a thread. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Sensitive? No. Sick of bullshit, perhaps. Sick of watching things like one man’s illness get turned into a political football just so people can score points for their tribe. But sensitive? Don’t flatter yourself, I don’t care that much about you. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/37 "2008-05-21T00:56:47Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] Sensitive? No. Sick of bullshit, perhaps. Sick of watching things like one man’s illness get turned into a political football just so people can score points for their tribe. But sensitive? Don’t flatter yourself, I don’t care that much about you. [/QUOTE] What, no basic human decency from you? I care you about _you_. I care so much it _hurts_. Because I’m that kind of guy, you know? The kind who _cares_. I care so much I feel the need to tell other people how much _they_ should care, or not care, and what they should care about. Eh, but I digress. You can respond and have the last word. I’ll go back to tsk tsking **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/38 "2008-05-21T01:03:09Z")
I will confess that my thoughts when they announced this on the radio were “Huh. How ironic. America’s cancer has a tumor”, but those thoughts were directed towards Kennedy the politician and all of the damage that he’s done to this country over the years, Kennedy the man has my thoughts and prayers that his treatment be successful and his remaining life (1 year or 10) be as coherent and pain free as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/39 "2008-05-21T01:04:12Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] …basic human decency? [/QUOTE] How is it basic human decency to pretend to be sorry that someone you hate is dying? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027/40 "2008-05-21T01:05:04Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] Out of curiosity, what is it Jesus said that makes you believe that he has such an expectation? As a follow-up, what is it Jesus said that makes you believe he would approve of **Shodan’s** attitude? Daniel [/QUOTE] Oh, geez, I have no interest in getting into a theological argument. I wasn’t the one who brought Jesus into the conversation, and I have no idea if Shodan believes in God the same way I do. My point is that Shodan is under no obligation to forgive Ted Kennedy for anything, especially since Mr. Kennedy has not indicated to the public that he’s sorry for any wrong he might have committed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-this-is-a-disgusting-attitude/450027.md?page=3)