# Shodan... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704 "2004-08-13T16:31:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/121 "2004-08-16T01:51:00Z")
Originally Posted by roger thornhill: Reminds me of grannies assaulting each other with handbags at dawn and then sitting down together to breakfast at a diner. > [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > **Duffer** and **elucidator** always hog th’ maple syrup. I kinda had ‘em down as that type, Ike. I’ll finds me a nice corner seat and pretend like I isn’t watchin’. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/122 "2004-08-16T03:37:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’m right here, fucko. Well fucky you too, fucko. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > My reaction to the link is good for him but it has nothing to do with this thread. Seems to me to be a decent response to your charges of partisanship. But I highly doubt that **Shodan** could change your mind. Why? Because you’ve obviously been paying attention to his posts over the time you’ve been here and have come to develop an impression of him that won’t be easily replaced. Then again, isn’t that was he was saying about you in the other thread? That he’s been paying attention to your posts and thinks that you wouldn’t mind so much if the machines erred in Kerry’s favor? I don’t care one way or the other, since I would much rather see Michael Badnarik in the White House than either Bush or Kerry. But this partisan bitching back and forth between the Dems and the Pubbies is getting quite tiresome. “You’d rather the machines erred in your candidates favor!” “No, you would!” “No, you!” “You!” “You!” “I know you are but what am I?” “I know you are but what am I times infinity!” Seriously, aren’t you tired of this yet? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/123 "2004-08-16T03:52:08Z")
Well, gee, not until you pointed out how empty and pointless it all is. I could spend my time better, I suppose. Take up macrame, never did that. Learn to knit. I could devote the time to a really intensive study of the foundations of Libertarian political philosophy. Or maybe read those _Left Behind_ books. Take up drinking. Watch TV. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/124 "2004-08-16T03:54:27Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Well fucky you too, fucko. > Seems to me to be a decent response to your charges of partisanship. > > But I highly doubt that **Shodan** could change your mind. Why? Because you’ve obviously been paying attention to his posts over the time you’ve been here and have come to develop an impression of him that won’t be easily replaced. > > Then again, isn’t that was he was saying about you in the other thread? That he’s been paying attention to your posts and thinks that you wouldn’t mind so much if the machines erred in Kerry’s favor? > > I don’t care one way or the other, since I would much rather see Michael Badnarik in the White House than either Bush or Kerry. But this partisan bitching back and forth between the Dems and the Pubbies is getting quite tiresome. “You’d rather the machines erred in your candidates favor!” “No, you would!” “No, you!” “You!” “You!” “I know you are but what am I?” “I know you are but what am I times infinity!” > > Seriously, aren’t you tired of this yet? The glaring flaw in your argument is that I never pretended to know what **Shodan** would or would not do, I did not call him a liar who cared more about winning than getting a fair election, and I did not say that he valued his partisanship over getting an accurate vote count. I did not make the charges against Shodan that he made against me. Try reading with a little comprehension from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/125 "2004-08-16T03:54:54Z")
Or you could watch [this.](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/hitest.html) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/126 "2004-08-16T04:35:30Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Or you could watch [this.](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/hitest.html) Kind of heavy fare for the man from Nipples. Perhaps he’d prefer a bit of [Lynne Cheney’s fluff:](http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19337.asp) > [@](#): > > The women who embraced in the wagon were Adam and Eve crossing a dark cathedral stage – no, Eve and Eve, loving one another as they would not be able to once they ate of the fruit and knew themselves as they truly were. She felt curiously moved, curiously envious… Ooh Lah Lah! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/127 "2004-08-16T15:11:49Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > The glaring flaw in your argument is that I never pretended to know what **Shodan** would or would not do, I did not call him a liar who cared more about winning than getting a fair election, and I did not say that he valued his partisanship over getting an accurate vote count. > > I did not make the charges against Shodan that he made against me. Try reading with a little comprehension from now on. What I said was, I thought his link showed that he wasn’t as partisan as you said he was. Then I went off on a fairly irrelevant tangent (I admit that), and then you attempt to put words in my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/128 "2004-08-16T15:47:24Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > What I said was, I thought his link showed that he wasn’t as partisan as you said he was. Then I went off on a fairly irrelevant tangent (I admit that), and then you attempt to put words in my mouth. I was just saying that **Shodan** is at least as partisan as I am, so it didn’t make sense for him to point to my own partsanship as evidence that I would be willing to win unfairly. We can both be partisan and both still value an accurate vote count more than winning. That’s all I was trying to say. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/129 "2004-08-16T17:35:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I was just saying that **Shodan** is at least as partisan as I am, so it didn’t make sense for him to point to my own partsanship as evidence that I would be willing to win unfairly. > > We can both be partisan and both still value an accurate vote count more than winning. That’s all I was trying to say. Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/130 "2004-08-16T19:41:22Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Shodan is one of the most mindless, un-nuanced, predictable, robotic, party-line Republicans drones on this board. His credibility for calling partsanship on others is fucking non-existent, yet he has decided all by himself what his opponents do and do not really care about and what they SAY they care about is of no concern to Shodan. He has his worldview and his worldview must not be disturbed or his fucking head will explode. Well, yeah. And this is news? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/131 "2004-08-16T20:10:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, gee, not until you pointed out how empty and pointless it all is. I could spend my time better, I suppose. Take up macrame, never did that. Learn to knit. I could devote the time to a really intensive study of the foundations of Libertarian political philosophy. Or maybe read those Left Behind books. Take up drinking. Watch TV. Personally, I highly recommend model railroading. You can build your own little world, and you can give it whatever political system you want. Unfortunately, however, it pretty much has to be a fascist state if you want the trains to run on time… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2004, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/132 "2004-08-16T21:09:29Z")
Not to mention a magical fantasyland, considering the fact that most model railroads run on electricity. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/133 "2004-08-17T03:22:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, gee, not until you pointed out how empty and pointless it all is. I could spend my time better, I suppose. Take up macrame, never did that. Learn to knit. I could devote the time to a really intensive study of the foundations of Libertarian political philosophy. Or maybe read those _Left Behind_ books. Take up drinking. Watch TV. I’m pleased I could help you out. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/134 "2004-08-22T20:42:48Z")
What the hell - one more go-around. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I have said in both threads that I am a partisan. I said it _before_ I called _you_ a partisan. _(Emphasis in original.)_ See, here is the basic problem, and the reason I find this more amusing than disturbing. You keep demonstrating my point for me. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5163871#post5163871) is the original thread. Your first mention of your own partisanship came at 08-13-2004, 01:23 PM, post #23. This was after you started this Pit thread, in which you accused me of partisanship, at 08-13-2004, 11:31 AM. In other words, your claim isn’t true. You did _not_ admit that you were partisan before you Pitted me. Now I don’t really doubt that you have convinced yourself that you genuinely did what you claimed, and made your own biases clear before you Pitted me for what you claim are my biases. But that is just the problem. You didn’t. Just the opposite is true - you were swearing up and down that you were not being partisan. It was only after I called you on it that you went back and came clean. And therefore, you are not a reliable witness, even of your own motivations. Your partisanship is so extreme that you can delude even yourself into thinking you did something you didn’t do, or say something that you didn’t say. Is it so much of a stretch to doubt that your protests about the election results might be based on something other than a fair-minded commitment to absolute truth? And this - > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > My reaction to the link is good for him but it has nothing to do with this thread. So evidence that I am **not** a mindless Republican robot has nothing to do with accusations that I **am** a mindless Republican robot? Weak - even by your standards, but let’s play the game, shall we? Show us a link to a thread in which **you** gave an equivalent amount of evidence that you can be fair-minded. Show us someplace where you said that Bush was doing a good job, or that the Republicans were right on some issue and the Democrats were wrong, or something equivalent. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I did not say that he valued his partisanship over getting an accurate vote count. Yet more evidence that you are not a reliable person. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Shodan is the only one who DOESN’T seem to want a fair fight. As I said earlier, I don’t believe you, and we have seen some evidence as to why I shouldn’t, and don’t. This is why you were unable or unwilling to answer my hypothetical question about lawsuits and a close election. Because I deliberately left out the only piece of information that you require to decide how to regard the election - who won. If Bush wins a close election and the Democrats file lawsuits challenging the results, you will automatically support the lawsuits. If Kerry wins a close election and Republicans file lawsuits challenging the elections, you will start Pit threads screaming obscenities at them for doing so. If Kerry wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college, you will regard the Bush victory as illegitimate. If Bush wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college, you regard the Kerry victory as entirely legitimate. So will every other knee-jerk liberal on the SDMB. So you won’t be likely to feel lonely. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/135 "2004-08-22T20:58:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > …If Bush wins a close election and the Democrats file lawsuits challenging the results, you will automatically support the lawsuits. If Kerry wins a close election and Republicans file lawsuits challenging the elections, you will start Pit threads screaming obscenities at them for doing so. If Kerry wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college, you will regard the Bush victory as illegitimate. If Bush wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college, you regard the Kerry victory as entirely legitimate. > > So will every other knee-jerk liberal on the SDMB. So you won’t be likely to feel lonely. Boy, its tough to contend with people who are, like, clarovoyant and stuff, can see the future, already know what people are going to do, and say. You’re probably thinking that if Kerry crushes Bush like a bug, we’ll be rushing here to laugh at you and say “Neener-neener!” and just generally cavort and frolic and make derisive jokes at your expense… Well, **Diogenes** might, but I have entirely too much dignity to hit somebody when they’re down. Besides, kicking, you don’t have to bend over… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/136 "2004-08-22T21:35:27Z")
**Shodan** has a point, though. I’m one of the more conservative members of the SDMB, safe to say. Yet I compliment Democrats where such compliments are due, and give them due respect. You won’t ever hear complimentary remarks about Republicans from **Diogenes**. That would be far too threatening to his worldview. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/137 "2004-08-22T21:49:22Z")
I’m open minded on that subject. If GeeDubya (Praise the Leader!) can give a really graceful and polite concession speech come November, I’ll be willing to let bygones be bygones. Just so long as they’re gone. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/138 "2004-08-23T00:44:25Z")
Jesus, {Shodan\*\*, are you a masochist or something? Didn’t you get enough of a bitch-slapping yet? That’s ok, let me get my pimp stick out. > [@Shodan](#): > > Now I don’t really doubt that you have convinced yourself that you genuinely did what you claimed, and made your own biases clear before you Pitted me for what you claim are my biases. But that is just the problem. You didn’t. Just the opposite is true - you were swearing up and down that you were not being partisan. Nope. Sorry, fuckface. I never said I wasn’t partisan. You are a liar. What I said (like a billion times) was that a fair election was _more important_ to me than my partisanship. This concept of prioritizing values seems to be incomprehensible to you. > [@](#): > > It was only after I called you on it that you went back and came clean. And therefore, you are not a reliable witness, even of your own motivations. You didn’t call me on anything, liar. You lied and I busted you on it. > [@](#): > > Your partisanship is so extreme that you can delude even yourself into thinking you did something you didn’t do, or say something that you didn’t say. Is it so much of a stretch to doubt that your protests about the election results might be based on something other than a fair-minded commitment to absolute truth? I know it’s a stretch for YOU because you are a mindless idealogue with no greater concept of prioritizing philosophical values. Therefore you think everyone else must be like you are. I happen to have a little more depth than you do. Sorry to break it to you, you fucking dittohead. > [@](#): > > Weak - even by your standards, but let’s play the game, shall we? Show us a link to a thread in which **you** gave an equivalent amount of evidence that you can be fair-minded. Show us someplace where you said that Bush was doing a good job, or that the Republicans were right on some issue and the Democrats were wrong, or something equivalent. Why should I say that Bush is doing a good job if he isn’t. What stupid, fucking disingenuous measure of objectiveity. Guess what, cocksmoke, I have, on occasion, said good things about Republicans, including. Bush Sr. John McCain, Bob Dole and Colin Powell. But that’s beside the fucking point you miserable, smug little shitstain. No matter how strongly I may feel about my political ideology, it’s NOT the most important value I have. My family, for instance, is far more important than any election. The integrity of the American Democratic system is as well. Yet more evidence that you are not a reliable person. [/quote] Fucking liar. Ponty up the cite, bitch. Show me where I said that you valued partisanship more than a fair election. I said you were a mindless republican robot and you are. That doesn’t mean that’s _all_ you are. That’s just how you are politically. I don’t make the mistake (as you apparently do) of thinking that another person’s politics are his highest priority. I think you’re an unreflective partsian hack when it comes to politics. I also think that you probably value some things _more_ than you’re politics. Is this sinking in at all? I’m a big Vikings fan. I hate the Packers. I have nothing good to say about the Packers. Would then say it’s rational to conclude that I want the Vikings to win by nefarious means? It’s bullshit. > [@](#): > > As I said earlier, I don’t believe you, I no longer give a fuck. > [@](#): > > and we have seen some evidence as to why I shouldn’t, and don’t. No, liar, you have NOT shown any such evidence. > [@](#): > > This is why you were unable or unwilling to answer my hypothetical question about lawsuits and a close election. Because I deliberately left out the only piece of information that you require to decide how to regard the election - who won. God, you really are deluded. I didn’t answer your idiotic question because you didn’t say what the _dispute_ was, you fucking idiot. You just said “The loser disputes the results, who do you suuport?” It fucking depends on what the fucking _objection_ is, moron. Give me a goddamn hypothetical with some goddamn data and I’ll answer the goddamn question. You have to give a specific reason that the loser is objecting otherwise your question can’t be analyzed. > [@](#): > > If Bush wins a close election and the Democrats file lawsuits challenging the results, you will automatically support the lawsuits. If Kerry wins a close election and Republicans file lawsuits challenging the elections, you will start Pit threads screaming obscenities at them for doing so. If Kerry wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college, you will regard the Bush victory as illegitimate. If Bush wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college, you regard the Kerry victory as entirely legitimate. So will every other knee-jerk liberal on the SDMB. So you won’t be likely to feel lonely. [/QUOTE] Did it make you feel good to type this? I think you need to recalibrate your crystal ball, Kreskin, because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/139 "2004-08-23T00:47:53Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > **Shodan** has a point, though. I’m one of the more conservative members of the SDMB, safe to say. Yet I compliment Democrats where such compliments are due, and give them due respect. > > You won’t ever hear complimentary remarks about Republicans from **Diogenes**. That would be far too threatening to his worldview. And you know that because you’ve read every post I’ve ever made, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan/259704/140 "2004-08-23T01:13:45Z")
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