# Shooter at Planned Parenthood clinic **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 27, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751 "2015-11-27T19:46:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/241 "2015-12-02T20:43:01Z")
Those are all restrictions of free speech. Just because you agree with them doesn’t change that. I’m not sure why selling baby parts is such a vicious lie. They literally transport fetal tissue for medical research purposes, don’t they? Whether they make a buck or just cover their transportation and storage costs seems wholly immaterial, from a PR outrage perspective. I thought advancing medicine and science was supposed to be a good thing. Saying PP and the left support the killings of millions of babies is more inflammatory than saying they sell the parts, but YMMV I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/242 "2015-12-02T21:45:43Z")
> [@OffByOne](#): > > In the same manner, if someone defames a person or organization by spreading lies about that person or org, that is NOT protected speech, so telling them that they cannot say that in no way limits their right to free expression, because THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE. This is true, although I don’t know whether these videotapes violate libel law (my previous use of the word “libelous” was not, of course, my judgment as an attorney, since I’m not one). Whether they violate the law is an interesting question. > [@](#): > > In this case, not only did the PMC libel PP, they delivered a “go ahead” signal to all the unbalanced people with guns to actually DO something. That is called “inciting violence”, and it is another case of speech NOT protected by the Constitution. Here, however, I don’t think you’re correct. On a moral level, you’re absolutely right: calling people baby murderers has historically been a way to get people killed. But on a legal level, I think (again, IANAL) it comes nowhere close to “incitement to violence.” Incitement, I think, must be imminent and fairly explicit. Even if the videotapes were playing outside the clinics when Dear started murdering, I don’t think it’d meet that standard: the videotapes, obscenely dishonest though they were, did not include any explicit call to violence. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/243 "2015-12-02T21:51:27Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I’m not sure why selling baby parts is such a vicious lie. They literally transport fetal tissue for medical research purposes, don’t they? Whether they make a buck or just cover their transportation and storage costs seems wholly immaterial, from a PR outrage perspective. I thought advancing medicine and science was supposed to be a good thing. It’s 100% different. What Planned Parenthood really does is they provide reproductive services to women. One of those services is abortion. **They do not profit off of abortion**. They are not making money by performing abortions. Therefore, they lack the profit motive to encourage abortions. The claim that they’re profiting off baby parts gives them a motive to encourage more abortions. For folks who believe fetuses are babies, it means giving them a motive to kill babies and harvesting their parts. It’s the difference between a hospital that enables organ donations, and a hospital that sells the organs of deceased patients and starts euthanizing patients in order to increase profits. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/244 "2015-12-05T15:55:26Z")
According to the anti-abortion protestors I talked to, the shooter was a homosexual! Not bad for a guy married three times!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751.md?page=12)