# Shooter at Planned Parenthood clinic **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 27, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751 "2015-11-27T19:46:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/81 "2015-11-28T20:12:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Maybe if they bombed some random cafes until abortion was outlawed I could see it. What? Cafes? What do cafes have to do with abortion? Also, I think calling this kook a Christian terrorist is entirely appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/82 "2015-11-28T20:19:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I think it’s a little off base calling this sort of thing Christian terrorism, at least as some kind of counter talking point to Muslim terrorism. It’s just so single issue. Maybe if they bombed some random cafes until abortion was outlawed I could see it. It’s driven by religious fervor. And the willingness to kill in the name of your religion. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/83 "2015-11-28T20:20:38Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > What? Cafes? What do cafes have to do with abortion? > > Also, I think calling this kook a Christian terrorist is entirely appropriate. That’s my point. What do cafes have to do with France fighting against ISIS? You can find it appropriate if you want but I find entirely unconvincing as a refutation against people obsessing over Muslim terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/84 "2015-11-28T20:24:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s driven by religious fervor. And the willingness to kill in the name of your religion. But it’s so focused on one specific issue. They aren’t just randomly bombing Catholics or different types of Protestants. They aren’t looking for everyone to bow to the Pope. They want abortions to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/85 "2015-11-28T20:25:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You can find it appropriate if you want but I find entirely unconvincing as a refutation against people obsessing over Muslim terrorism. Why? What, in your opinion, is the difference between the France terrorists and Dear? They’re both doing it for their ideology based on their religion, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/86 "2015-11-28T20:26:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s my point. What do cafes have to do with France fighting against ISIS? You can find it appropriate if you want but I find entirely unconvincing as a refutation against people obsessing over Muslim terrorism. When a Muslim does it, it’s ‘terrorism’. When a right-wing White guy who is probably Christian does it, it’s a ‘lone wolf attack’. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/87 "2015-11-28T20:27:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > But it’s so focused on one specific issue. They aren’t just randomly bombing Catholics or different types of Protestants. They aren’t looking for everyone to bow to the Pope. They want abortions to stop. So, because they’re focused on a single issue they can’t be terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/88 "2015-11-28T20:30:03Z")
No, it’s terrorism. But when the IRA was setting off bombs demanding the UK get out of Northern Ireland, only idiots considered it Catholic terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/89 "2015-11-28T20:35:48Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, it’s terrorism. But when the IRA was setting off bombs demanding the UK get out of Northern Ireland, only idiots considered it Catholic terrorism. Calling it Muslim terrorism simply because Muslims are doing it is just as idiotic. Why the double standard? If it is appropriate for Muslims, it is appropriate for Christians as Christians are the only people in the US who terrorize organizations associated with abortion services and kill its workers in the name of their Christian beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/90 "2015-11-28T20:45:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > When a Muslim does it, it’s ‘terrorism’. > > When a right-wing White guy who is probably Christian does it, it’s a ‘lone wolf attack’. Conservative PC sensetivities must always be considered. If it’s a white guy, it isn’t terrorism. White guys are incapable of terrorism, just sometimes guilty of loving their god and/or their country a little too much. Is that so wrong? ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/91 "2015-11-28T20:53:39Z")
We don’t know if he was right wing. I don’t know. We don’t know. I will wait for more information over the next few hours and days. He’s just a loser, a putz. We just don’t know the politics of this person to make a judgement. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/92 "2015-11-28T20:55:52Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Calling it Muslim terrorism simply because Muslims are doing it is just as idiotic. Why the double standard? If it is appropriate for Muslims, it is appropriate for Christians as Christians are the only people in the US who terrorize organizations associated with abortion services and kill its workers in the name of their Christian beliefs. In some cases, but I think if it’s claimed in the name of ISIS or al Qaida I think it’s fair to call it Islamic terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/93 "2015-11-28T21:07:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > In some cases, but I think if it’s claimed in the name of ISIS or al Qaida I think it’s fair to call it Islamic terrorist. Can you please clarify what you mean by ‘in some cases’? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/94 "2015-11-28T21:10:59Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > We don’t know if he was right wing. I don’t know. We don’t know. I will wait for more information over the next few hours and days. He’s just a loser, a putz. We just don’t know the politics of this person to make a judgement. I will give this lunatic as much consideration as your guys do whenever a Muslim lunatic kills or terrorizes someone, that is to say none. He’s a Christian terrorist until shown to be otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/95 "2015-11-28T21:16:28Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Can you please clarify what you mean by ‘in some cases’? Thanks. Like when a group rebelling against a government happens to be predominantly Muslim, calling it Islamic terrorism is often iffy and meant to get Western backing for that same government. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/96 "2015-11-28T21:24:10Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > We don’t know if he was right wing. I don’t know. We don’t know. Given that he gave a neighbour anti-Obama pamphlets and said that Obama is destroying the country, I say that the odds are good that he’s right-wing. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/97 "2015-11-28T21:25:21Z")
Most of the people running for the GOP ticket feed terrorism such as this. The same lame excuse will be put forward: he was mentally ill, and it had nothing to do with extreme christianity or the lack of gun control. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/98 "2015-11-28T21:28:04Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Like when a group rebelling against a government happens to be predominantly Muslim, calling it Islamic terrorism is often iffy and meant to get Western backing for that same government. You’re welcome. Have there been such cases? Not trying to gotcha (getcha?). I sincerely want to know. In any event, I think your word ‘predominantly’ muddies the issue, and I can see your point if you do mean ‘predominantly’. However, most, if not all terrorist attacks committed by Muslims, at least those I have heard of, are considered Islamic terrorism before any facts are known other than the ethnicities/faith of the perpetrators. I am not arguing that point. I am arguing that, especially with regard to the issue of abortion and any tangentially related services, Christian terrorism is the correct term as it appropriately describes the faith and motivation of those who commit acts that target the livelihood and lives of those who provide services in that industry. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/99 "2015-11-28T21:40:55Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I will give this lunatic as much consideration as your guys do whenever a Muslim lunatic kills or terrorizes someone, that is to say none. He’s a Christian terrorist until shown to be otherwise. IOW, you’re exactly like “those guys”? Not sure why you would want to be, but whatever you say… **CarnlK** : I see what you are trying to say, but it doesn’t really make sense. As long as someone is doing something for a religious cause, then it’s motivated by religion. If this guys turns out to be motivated by Christianity (and we should see soon enough), then what difference does it make whether he targets clinics or cafes? It’s perhaps a bit more extreme and hard to understand to target cafes, but the motivation is what matters. He’s sending a signal: go to an abortion clinic, and don’t be surprised if you end up a victim of violence. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751/100 "2015-11-28T21:44:38Z")
I was pretty quick to believe the guy that shot Gabby Gifford and those other people was a right winger but it became obvious pretty fast that he was just a lunatic with as I recall, no real political motive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooter-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/738751.md?page=6)