# Shooting a gun gangsta style **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 9, 2001, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614 "2001-08-09T16:32:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Arken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@Arken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arken)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/41 "2001-08-12T05:29:03Z")
Hey, that gun position worked fine for Jack Ruby. ---
**Author:** ![warmgun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@warmgun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/warmgun)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/42 "2001-08-12T05:44:19Z")
Do you mean before or after he pulled out of his ass? ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/43 "2001-08-12T06:19:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dani Filth \* > \*\*Check this out… heres an avi of a glock that’s been modified for full auto. I put it on my site for your entertainment… > > [http://www.blackdimension.com/glock.avi](http://www.blackdimension.com/glock.avi) > > And NO, that’s not me in the video! Hehehehe, enjoy 🙂 > > -Dani \*\* I hope that dude doesn’t live in my 'hood. I hope that dude doesn’t live in my _town_. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/44 "2001-08-12T17:35:47Z")
I had a dream about **Dani Filth’s** friend last night. Maybe it was the mask. At least the guy wasn’t shooting ‘gangsta’ style. Is converting pistols to full auto ok with responsible gun owners? Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![warmgun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@warmgun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/warmgun)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/45 "2001-08-12T19:05:06Z")
mangeorge, not no, but hell no. Not only is it a felony, which the ATFB takes VERY seriously, it is irresponsable, very dangerous (not only to those shooting but to friends nearby and innocent people not-so-nearby), and totally unecessary. Further, it gives those who wish to ban guns ‘proof’ that all gun owners are dangerous. Additionally, what most lay persons don’t know is that a lot, if not most, conversions to full auto are all or nothing affairs. Kind of like solid rocket fuel - once you start firing you can’t stop until the magazine is empty. I think the dangers of this are fairly obvious. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/46 "2001-08-12T21:26:08Z")
What I want to know is: where is all of this expertise during gun control debates over in Great Debates? While myself, **Spoofe, Joe\_Cool, Freedom, Tracer, Uncle Beer,** and other hold our own, we could use the added diversity of more (and new) viewpoints in combatting the ignorance that “all guns are evil”; we’ve devolved into the “usual assemblage of gun freaks” that turn up in gun control debates. Or is my answer in this statement: > [@](#): > > Where we **MIGHT** get thrown is into GD. While I’m fully aware of the perils of trying to interpret emotional content from other poster’s words, the all cap “MIGHT” up above seems to indicate…trepidation? FWIW, I’ve had a long running love affair with the 1911 (was introduced to it by the Army) and while Colt did seem to have some QC problems in the late 80s/early 90s, these problems have by-and-large been resolved, and I’ve had little if any trouble with Colt products, esp. the 1911. I’ve a Gold Cup Nat’l Match that is a real sweety to shoot, even to the point of trying it on pin shooting, with suprising success (that big ol’ round does a great job of knockin’ 'em over!) Though I’m still more partial to single-action wheelguns (my latent cowboy trying to get out). ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/47 "2001-08-12T21:55:03Z")
I think that a lot of the loyalty m-1911 owners have toward their pistols is because of all the customization options available. Just as a car owner will care about and for his car more after he’s done something special to it to make it ‘his’, the same thing with the Colt Gov’t. Especially when it really takes so little to improve an out of the box Gov’t model, which is probably the first .45 anyone’s ever fired. How many shooters at the range brought a completely unmodified m-1911 with them? And a Combat Commander or any other varients are, IMHO, out of the box an already modified m-1911 ---
**Author:** ![Oystaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@Oystaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oystaman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/48 "2001-08-13T00:57:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Falafel Waffle \* > The Army taught us a little mantra: > > \*\*Breathe > Relax > Aim > Squeeze \*\* > \*\* and it’s got a good acronym too! Everyone loves **BRAS!** ---
**Author:** ![Ringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@Ringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ringo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/49 "2001-08-13T01:03:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Everyone loves BRAS! I don’t know about Betty Friedan… ---
**Author:** ![Padeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@Padeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Padeye)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/50 "2001-08-13T01:20:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dropzone \* > \*\*Isn’t that why later Thompsons had vents on the top of the barrel end–for a jet effect to counteract the tendency to walk? Since nobody else seems to do it, I guess it doesn’t work. \*\* You’re correct. Compensators are very effective but not really needed with proper technique and on the Thompson lease of all. It has such a slow rate of fire - as machine guns go - that even a novice won’t have a hard time squeezing singles. Controlled, aimed fire is effective fire. Spray and pray just makes you run out of ammunition without hitting any targets. Compensators do have drawbacks, they put more muzzle blast and flash in the shooter’s face. H&K SMGs have a higher rate of fire and are more difficult to control on full auto. That’s why they make a variety of trigger packs with different options. A friend graciously lets me use his MP5K in local competition where we are required to use burst or full auto mode, semi-auto is not allowed. His has a four position trigger pack, safe - semi, two shot burst and full auto. The two shot burst works great for most targets and I’ve had enough practice I can get singles when the targets call for it. ---
**Author:** ![warmgun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@warmgun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/warmgun)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/51 "2001-08-13T02:59:32Z")
Ranger, I think you are dead on (NPI). Any copy of ‘Shotgun News’ will tend to bear this out. Check out the ads. And I agree it is fun to customize them. But that doesn’t change their OTB accuracy or reliability. And I think the ‘Gold Cup’ definately falls into the modified catagory. But, again , I repeat - I do not think they are bad guns! So no hate mail please… I’ve just had better experiences with my Sig, Ruger (auto) and Baretta. But for pure pleasure, I’m with Ex tank. I looooove my Vaquero. That’s shootin’, partner! ---
**Author:** ![warmgun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@warmgun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/warmgun)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/52 "2001-08-13T03:16:40Z")
Ranger, I think you are dead on (NPI). Any copy of ‘Shotgun News’ will tend to bear this out. Check out the ads. And I agree it is fun to customize them. But that doesn’t change their OTB accuracy or reliability. And I think the ‘Gold Cup’ definately falls into the modified catagory. But, again , I repeat - I do not think they are bad guns! So no hate mail please… I’ve just had better experiences with my Sig, Ruger (auto) and Baretta. But for pure pleasure, I’m with Ex tank. I looooove my Vaquero. That’s shootin’, partner! ---
**Author:** ![warmgun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@warmgun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/warmgun)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/53 "2001-08-13T03:24:41Z")
Oops, sorry, don’t know how that happened. ---
**Author:** ![Padeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@Padeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Padeye)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/54 "2001-08-13T05:37:08Z")
Warmgun, I better hijack this to a more appropriate forum as we’ve gotten quit a way from the OP question. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=81593](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=81593) ---
**Author:** ![Damhna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Damhna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damhna)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/55 "2001-08-13T08:22:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Opengrave \* > \*\ ***Massad** \*\* Okay call me pedantic but that I am presuming should read MOSSAD. ---
**Author:** ![warmgun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecccb3/32.png) [@warmgun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/warmgun)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/56 "2001-08-13T19:13:32Z")
Don’t know the chronology, but I just saw Brad Pitt hold a gun (O.K., it was actually a hair-drier - but he was using it as a gun!)this way in 'Thelma and Louise". ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614/57 "2001-08-13T21:09:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sewalk \* > …\>25000 rounds in .45ACP, .38Super, and 10mm versions… I’m not _quite_ that high with the 1911 family, but close. I’ve had maybe a dozen, perhaps as many as 20, failures to function in that time, and I can’t think of one that I didn’t cause myself. Mind you, I never tried to feed my weapons anything more exotic than Glasers, but still… There has been enough reporting on the issue of failure to feed and jamming when using SWC, WC, and other flat-faced cartidges in the 1911 that there has to be _something_ to it, and I’ve stayed deliberately way from the questionable rounds. As for customizing the 1911, I dunno. My favorite, and longest owned, pistol is a Gov’t Model Series 80 chambered for .38 Super. It’s eaten everything I’ve fed it (mostly JHP, MC, and TC), and and not once failed me in more than 5000 rounds. It’s only modification? Pachmyer grips. That’s it. In my Navy time, Reaction Force training required weak-hand courses of fire for an individual to be considered qualified for a particular weapon. Mind you, this was using old, abused, 1911a1’s. Never once had a failure, but God help you if the Rangemaster saw you try any of that “Hollywood Shooting”. Better for you if the earth opened up and swallowed you like you’d never been born. I shudder to think what would’ve happened if somone had tried “shootin’ gangsta”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-a-gun-gangsta-style/75614.md?page=2)