# Shooting at a Maryland Newspaper **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 28, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947 "2018-06-28T19:48:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/41 "2018-06-29T04:28:23Z")
The Powers That Be have pointed out the press are “enemies of the people.” That does little to discourage madmen. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/42 "2018-06-29T05:39:32Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > …Just another mentally off middle aged white guy with a gun and a grudge. WTF? 38 is middle aged now? I’m 55 so I guess that means I have one foot in the grave. Way to harsh my mellow **Rushgeekgirl**. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/43 "2018-06-29T05:47:18Z")
Sorry his last name is Ramos, according to racial draft bylaws, it doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/44 "2018-06-29T06:30:02Z")
> [@](#): > > The suspected shooter in an attack that left five people dead at a newspaper’s office in Annapolis, Md., on Thursday has been identified as a man who had obsessively harassed and threatened the publication’s journalists for years. > > Court records and social media posts revealed that Ramos launched a lengthy and disturbing vendetta against the company after its daily newspaper, the Capital, ran a 2011 column describing how Ramos was convicted of criminally harassing a woman who had turned down his advances. > > Ramos accused the Capital of defamation and sued, representing himself in court, unsuccessfully. A Twitter account under his name showed hundreds of posts related to the case and its various appeals. > **[Gunman who killed 5 and wounded several others at Maryland newspaper had...](https://www.thegazette.com/nation-world/gunman-who-killed-5-and-wounded-several-others-at-maryland-newspaper-had-harassed-and-threatened-the/)** > > The suspected shooter in an attack that left five people dead at a newspaper’s office in Annapolis, Md., on Thursday … Can anyone find the column discussing Ramos? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/45 "2018-06-29T08:30:37Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > It’s all over the news now it was a longstanding personal beef, nothing political. Nothing to do with Mad Milo or Kerosene Maxine. Just another mentally off middle aged white guy with a gun and a grudge. Like pool, I had read that he is Latino. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/46 "2018-06-29T11:26:20Z")
> [@](#): > > WTF? 38 is middle aged now? I’m 55 so I guess that means I have one foot in the grave. Depends who you ask, but late thirties, sure. Has been considered middle-aged by at least some since at least the 80s. Of course, “middle aged” is a highly contested term meaning anything from 35-70 (way too wide, but I just saw a 1997 study that used 35-69) depending on who you ask. 45-65 does tend to be the dictionary definition now, but I don’t know how it was treated when term coined. If you consider it the middle of life, then 35-45 would make sense, given current life expectancy in US. Middle of adulthood - 45-55. If you tie to life-stage in terms of kids-out-the-house for most that age, it keeps getting later. For me, I think probably 40-55. Maybe 45-55 (average age of menopause is in the middle of that). Anything in the 60s is too late to qualify as middle to me, but as I said, plenty of dictionaries disagree with me. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/47 "2018-06-29T12:55:59Z")
[The shooter had a grudge against the paper going back to 2011.](http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/annapolis/bs-md-gazette-shooting-20180628-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/48 "2018-06-29T13:46:53Z")
One of the victims, Gerald Fischman, was a co-worker of mine several decades ago at another small Maryland daily. Which is what the Capital Gazette has been for some time, though this may have changed with the recent wave of consolidations. Their circulation in my newspapering days ('78-85) was upwards of 30,000 iirc, which means that they covered a wide range of events, from the Annapolis HS Panthers to the Baltimore Orioles, from small town council meetings to the state legislature (located conveniently down the street). It was a different industry pre-internet. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/49 "2018-06-29T13:48:54Z")
[An article about the shooter](http://time.com/5326056/capital-gazette-shooter-jarrod-w-ramos/) He was a loner, but had filed a charge against the newspaper for reporting he had pled guilty to stalking an ex-girlfriend on-line. The case was dismissed, and he started an on-line harassment campaign against the newspaper. In other words, this guy is a piece of shit who deserves to die. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/50 "2018-06-29T14:40:48Z")
4 of the victims were journalists or editors. 1 was in sales. Is there anybody left to publish the paper? I wouldn’t expect a small paper to have a large staff. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/51 "2018-06-29T14:46:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > 4 of the victims were journalists or editors. 1 was in sales. > > Is there anybody left to publish the paper? > > I wouldn’t expect a small paper to have a large staff. They published the paper today. A TV news crew this morning made it a point to show the actual physical newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/52 "2018-06-29T15:26:05Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Gunman who killed 5 and wounded several others at Maryland newspaper had harassed and threatened the | The Gazette](http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/nation-and-world/gunman-who-killed-5-and-wounded-several-others-at-maryland-newspaper-had-harassed-and-threatened-the-staff-previously-20180628) > > Can anyone find the column discussing Ramos? This looks like it might be the original column “Jarod Wants to Be Your Friend” by Eric Thomas Hartley > **[Jarrod Wants To Be Your Friend | PDF | Facebook | Misconduct](https://www.scribd.com/document/382833355/Jarrod-Wants-To-Be-Your-Friend)** > > 2011 Capital Gazette article about Jarrod W. Ramos. > > Via court documents: http://170.99.108.1/appellate/unreportedopinions/2015/2281s13.pdf ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/53 "2018-06-29T15:33:26Z")
Esquire – “Every Newspaper Reporter Knows Jarrod Ramos” > **[Every Newspaper Reporter Knows Jarrod Ramos](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21998213/annapolis-capital-gazette-shooting-jarod-ramos/)** > > The alleged Annapolis Capital-Gazette shooter was an angry misogynist and an angry reader, who picked up a gun. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/54 "2018-06-29T15:34:30Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > Depends who you ask, but late thirties, sure. Has been considered middle-aged by at least some since at least the 80s.\ Middle-aged is ten years older than me. Period. So, it looks like there was no political motivation, just a loser with a gun. I’d bet the Trumpets are still calling it a good beginning. Can Krystalnacht be far behind, only libruls instead of Jews? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/55 "2018-06-29T15:37:03Z")
No rational person takes any joy in the senseless murders of five people. This is a horrible tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/56 "2018-06-29T16:18:23Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > 4 of the victims were journalists or editors. 1 was in sales. > > Is there anybody left to publish the paper? > > I wouldn’t expect a small paper to have a large staff. A daily newspaper would probably have about one newsroom employee per 1,000 circulation (very rough guess going back to my experience three decades ago). Plus the Capital Gazette is in the Baltimore Sun’s regional umbrella, offering up a pool of additional emergency personnel about 25 minutes drive time away. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/57 "2018-06-29T16:22:50Z")
Never mind… It was said already. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/58 "2018-06-29T16:37:44Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > A daily newspaper would probably have about one newsroom employee per 1,000 circulation (very rough guess going back to my experience three decades ago). Plus the Capital Gazette is in the Baltimore Sun’s regional umbrella, offering up a pool of additional emergency personnel about 25 minutes drive time away. I thought this was a small town paper. I didn’t check the town’s population. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/59 "2018-06-29T16:44:35Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > Never mind… It was said already. Thank God. I thought a fellow Southern Marylander was just ignoring me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947/60 "2018-06-29T20:06:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I thought this was a small town paper. > > I didn’t check the town’s population. Annapolis isn’t a big place but it is the state capital and home of the Naval Academy. And the Gazette has been the paper of record there for a long time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-a-maryland-newspaper/816947.md?page=4)