# Shooting at mosque in Quebec City **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 30, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562 "2017-01-30T03:11:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/41 "2017-01-30T19:55:01Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > And “Allahu akbar” simply means “God is great”. Maybe it wasn’t the shooter or shooters who shouted it. Maybe the people who shouted it were worshipers who suddenly were confronting a crazy gunman and thought they were about to die. The phrase is well-known enough that the gunman could have been using it mockingly, as well. Or the witness who reported that could have been lying or mistaken. All are possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/42 "2017-01-30T19:59:44Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > The phrase is well-known enough that the gunman could have been using it mockingly, as well. Or the witness who reported that could have been lying or mistaken. All are possibilities. Exactly. In the chaos of a situation like that, people can innocently and sincerely report all kinds of incorrect things. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/43 "2017-01-30T20:01:01Z")
Just one suspect now. Not identified which one, if either of the two originally identified. [http://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/live-blog/quebec-mosque-shooting](http://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/live-blog/quebec-mosque-shooting) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/44 "2017-01-30T20:11:32Z")
As usual Twitter has the latest information on a breaking story like this. Lot of journalists tweet information before its picked up by the media. The upcoming news conference may reveal more about what happened and what charges will be filed. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/45 "2017-01-30T20:14:38Z")
Bissonnette was an internet troll: anti-Muslim, anti-women, and a populist. Populist bigots, particularly Trump and his supporters, and many members of the Parti Quebecois and the Front National, are at the root of this sort of stochastic terrorist attack. It would strain credulity to believe that this terrorist murderer had not been enervated by the attack by Trump and his gang against Muslims this weekend. Populist politicians are part of stochastic terrorism because it is their tiny hands that pull the maladjusteds’ puppet strings. They have blood on their tiny hands for the slaughter of six Muslims at prayer. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/46 "2017-01-30T20:48:28Z")
We need a wall between us and Quebec! One bad skittle makes the whole bowl suspect! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/47 "2017-01-30T21:10:32Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > As soon as I heard the story, I suspected the shooters were Muslims themselves. CBC reports now say the shooters were screaming “Allahu akbar” (wow, who could ever have predicted that? Besides, you know, EVERYONE). > > So, don’t you feel silly now for racing to conclude that North America is filled with violent Christians chomping at the bit to kill foreigners for no reason? I look forward to hearing how wrong you were, now that it is[increasingly likely](http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossiers/attentat-a-quebec/201701/30/01-5064465-le-suspect-connu-pour-ses-critiques-sur-facebook.php)that the terrorist killings were the work of an Anti-immigrant white nationalist shit-head. But let’s not go racing to conclude anything quite yet, Mkay? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/48 "2017-01-30T21:11:22Z")
I’ve been properly corrected. I should not have been using the term populist. I believe nationalist would be a more appropriate term. By historical analogy, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei was a populist party, but its defining characteristic was nationalism. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/49 "2017-01-30T21:19:08Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > It would strain credulity to believe that this terrorist murderer had not been enervated by the attack by Trump and his gang against Muslims this weekend. You know I’m a descriptivist zealot, out there burning style guides on bonfires and all, but I think you mean “energized” here. “Enervate” traditionally means “sapped of energy,” and using it as its opposite can create genuine confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/50 "2017-01-30T21:49:42Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > We need a wall between us and Quebec! One bad skittle makes the whole bowl suspect! Up here in Kanukistan, we’ve had some difficult times with the marriage between Quebéc and the ROC, including terrorist attacks, kidnappings and murders, martial law with troop movements and tanks in the streets, and an exodus of anglophones (including my family any many of our friends’ families). The whole chiboust. But somehow we’ve managed to keep it together, not out of compulsion, but out of preference based on a lot of listening and compromising. I think that we are better for it, particularly because the differences in cultures and opinions help us avoid going off the rails due to unconstrained nationalism, and help us learn from each other’s success and setbacks. I doubt if Trump will erect a wall or fence between the USA and Québec, for pur laine Québécois are neither brown nor Muslim. If Trump does do something silly along the border, then vive la bibliothèque et salle d’opéra Haskell libre! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/51 "2017-01-30T21:58:47Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Up here in Kanukistan, we’ve had some difficult times with the marriage between Quebéc and the ROC, including terrorist attacks, kidnappings and murders, martial law with troop movements and tanks in the streets, and an exodus of anglophones (including my family any many of our friends’ families). The whole chiboust. > > But somehow we’ve managed to keep it together, not out of compulsion, but out of preference based on a lot of listening and compromising. I think that we are better for it, particularly because the differences in cultures and opinions help us avoid going off the rails due to unconstrained nationalism, and help us learn from each other’s success and setbacks. > > I doubt if Trump will erect a wall or fence between the USA and Québec, for pur laine Québécois are neither brown nor Muslim. If Trump does do something silly along the border, then vive la bibliothèque et salle d’opéra Haskell libre! I’m pretty sure that you realize I was being sarcastic, right? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/52 "2017-01-30T22:15:06Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You know I’m a descriptivist zealot, out there burning style guides on bonfires and all, but I think you mean “energized” here. “Enervate” traditionally means “sapped of energy,” and using it as its opposite can create genuine confusion. Thanks for the correction. Energize, not enervate. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/53 "2017-01-30T22:43:52Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Thanks for the correction. Energize, not enervate. My apologies. Nah. I hate folks who post that kind of penny-ante correction, can’t believe I did it myself. Nerves, man. The apology is mine. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/54 "2017-01-30T23:00:50Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Up here in Kanukistan, we’ve had some difficult times with the marriage between Quebéc and the ROC, including terrorist attacks, kidnappings and murders, martial law with troop movements and tanks in the streets, and an exodus of anglophones (including my family any many of our friends’ families). The whole chiboust. > > But somehow we’ve managed to keep it together, not out of compulsion, but out of preference based on a lot of listening and compromising. I think that we are better for it, particularly because the differences in cultures and opinions help us avoid going off the rails due to unconstrained nationalism, and help us learn from each other’s success and setbacks. > > I doubt if Trump will erect a wall or fence between the USA and Québec, for pur laine Québécois are neither brown nor Muslim. If Trump does do something silly along the border, then vive la bibliothèque et salle d’opéra Haskell libre! This might make sense if Trump wasnt from a place that is far more diverse and far less politically violent than Quebec; NYC. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/55 "2017-01-30T23:11:19Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > According to Al Jazeera, the people of Victoria, Texas have already raised $600,000 to rebuild their neighbor’s mosque. > > The fire MAY have been arson, or it may have been an accident. There’s no evidence yet. But the generous reaction of the Christian locals suggests that, even in a small town in Texas, Islamophobia is not running rampant. I’m sure there are some fine people in Victoria, Texas. However, the Gofundme page is receiving donations from all over the country. They have now raised over $900,000. ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/56 "2017-01-30T23:15:23Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/canada/quebec-mosque-shooting.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/canada/quebec-mosque-shooting.html) > I’m making an educated guess that Reuters is right. Looking at the two names, which one is most likely to have been present in the Mosque as a bystander? Bissonette or el Khadir? > > And “Allahu akbar” simply means “God is great”. Maybe it wasn’t the shooter or shooters who shouted it. Maybe the people who shouted it were worshipers who suddenly were confronting a crazy gunman and thought they were about to die. This is what I’ve heard. One of the men praying said that he yelled out to God because he thought he was going to die. I’ve been following the story since last night when it happened, I only slept 2 hours. Too many people jump to conclusions when an event like this one happens. By the way, according to his FB page, the killer, Bissonnette, liked Donald Trump, Marine LePen, liked to use the word “feminazi” and such, but I know more virulent people than that. Just an ordinary right-wing xenophobe, apparently. We should no more about his motives soon. The fact that he called to give himself up gives me the impression that he wants to tell his story. ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/57 "2017-01-30T23:18:57Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > This might make sense if Trump wasnt from a place that is far more diverse and far less politically violent than Quebec; NYC. What alternate universe do you hail from? It’s a thrill to read the opinion of someone from another space/time. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/58 "2017-01-30T23:20:55Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > As soon as I heard the story, I suspected the shooters were Muslims themselves. CBC reports now say the shooters were screaming “Allahu akbar” (wow, who could ever have predicted that? Besides, you know, EVERYONE). > > So, don’t you feel silly now for racing to conclude that North America is filled with violent Christians chomping at the bit to kill foreigners for no reason? It appears you were salivating over a false prediction. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/59 "2017-01-30T23:33:04Z")
> [@MoodIndigo1](#): > > By the way, according to his FB page, the killer, Bissonnette, liked Donald Trump, Marine LePen, liked to use the word “feminazi” and such, but I know more virulent people than that. Just an ordinary right-wing xenophobe, apparently. We should no more about his motives soon. The fact that he called to give himself up gives me the impression that he wants to tell his story. He also, apparently, liked to troll various message boards with his right-wing anti-immigrant hate messages. I think this should be a warning sign. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562/60 "2017-01-30T23:34:08Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > It appears you were salivating over a false prediction. We are still waiting patiently for his retraction and apology. No doubt he is pondering over the details and word-smithing at the moment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-mosque-in-quebec-city/778562.md?page=4)