# Shooting at Portland, OR mall **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 12, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776 "2012-12-12T00:39:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/1 "2012-12-12T00:39:12Z")
This is just hitting the news. Not a lot of facts or details yet. [ > [@](#): > > One witness at the Clackamas Town Center told television station KATU at least two people were shot, and he saw sheets put over them. > > Another witness told the station she saw people screaming and parents grabbing their children as they fled the mall. > > That witness said the gunman had a rifle and was wearing a camouflage outfit and a mask. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_SHOTS\_FIRED\_MALL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-11-19-26-31](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SHOTS_FIRED_MALL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-11-19-26-31)) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/2 "2012-12-12T00:57:07Z")
Latest report is that the gunman has been “neutralized”, but no details. Still searching the mall to make sure there’s not another shooter. Two dead in first reports. The guy was using an AR-15 semi-auto rifle and fired at least 60 rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/3 "2012-12-12T00:57:42Z")
In before Fox News says this never would have happened if everyone else had had AR-15s too. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/4 "2012-12-12T01:08:50Z")
The guy was wearing a hockey mask and paintball armor, apparently. Sheriff’s department will give another update at 5:30 Pacific time. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/5 "2012-12-12T01:36:02Z")
The shooter has been killed. Two confirmed dead, one in the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Atakapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Atakapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atakapa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/6 "2012-12-12T01:40:31Z")
_Gun Control Debate II: Electric Boogaloo_ incoming… ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/7 "2012-12-12T01:50:30Z")
Local media peppering the sheriff with questions the sheriff said he cannot/will not answer right now. Just amazed when reporters are told directly by the sheriff what will not be given to them right now, they still ask the same questions. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/8 "2012-12-12T01:53:52Z")
Right now they’re interviewing the mall’s Santa, who says he hit the floor and crawled to safety. No question as to who was naughty or nice today, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/9 "2012-12-12T01:58:22Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Right now they’re interviewing the mall’s Santa, who says he hit the floor and crawled to safety. No question as to who was naughty or nice today, I guess. I’m sure the kids are traumatized more by Santa than the shooter. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/10 "2012-12-12T02:10:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > I’m sure the kids are traumatized more by Santa than the shooter. Santa was actually going above and beyond to calm down people with his interview. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/11 "2012-12-12T02:36:04Z")
They’re saying now that the shooter killed himself. No shots fired by law enforcement in the mall. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/12 "2012-12-12T04:15:23Z")
60 shots and only two victims, one maybe the shooter himself? What a miserable spree killing! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/13 "2012-12-12T04:18:51Z")
Ok, I found [this NBC story](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/11/15849093-two-people-shot-to-death-at-mall-in-portland-oregon-gunman-also-dies?lite) saying 3 dead including the shooter, and one or more people wounded. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/14 "2012-12-12T16:14:26Z")
A story in this morning’s paper related how the shooter turned toward a food court worker (a young woman), pointed the gun at her and fired. And missed. One lucky person. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/15 "2012-12-12T16:24:27Z")
If everyone had just moved out of Oregon like I did a few years ago, this never would have happened. Such a senseless waste of life ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-portland-or-mall/643776/16 "2012-12-12T16:59:00Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > If everyone had just moved out of Oregon like I did a few years ago, this never would have happened. Such a senseless waste of life ☹ We’re working on it.