# Shooting at Santa Fe, Texas High School **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 18, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400 "2018-05-18T15:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/41 "2018-05-18T19:14:56Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Yeah, that’s [useful](http://nonadventures.com/2017/11/18/a-moment-of-paws/). I was being sarcastic. The lyrics I quoted were from “God’s Away on Business”, which seems like an appropriate song most days. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/42 "2018-05-18T19:19:07Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I was being sarcastic. The lyrics I quoted were from “God’s Away on Business”, which seems like an appropriate song most days. Sorry. Wasn’t obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/43 "2018-05-18T19:19:54Z")
The Houston Chronicle is reporting that an ambulance has been dispatched to the shooter’s home. No reports of any injuries or deaths there. The shooter is also identified as Greek. And his now-defunct Facebook page was adorned with Nazi imagery. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/44 "2018-05-18T19:35:28Z")
This shooting has hit me harder than the others have, because I lived in Santa Fe, TX when I was a kid. My sister went to that high school. It’s a pretty small town, which is weird because a high-profile things keep happening there. Decades ago there was a big KKK rally which made national news, and then there was a huge debate over school prayer because that very high school had prayers before games (as I recall). ---
**Author:** ![cornflakes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@cornflakes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornflakes)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/45 "2018-05-18T19:37:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Thoughts and prayers all around. Ironically, [the district was sued for school prayer in 1995](https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/they-havent-got-a-prayer/). I seem to recall that it wasn’t as much for having a prayer before the football games itself as that the prayer was representative of a culture that harassed those who weren’t conservative protestant (ie, Catholic, Jewish, Agnostic…) A cousin graduated from that school in the mid-1980s. When he was a senior, he bragged to me about how they had the Klan in town. He moved away later and seems to have become more tolerant. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/46 "2018-05-18T20:27:19Z")
> [@johnod](#): > > My point was who had thought of one before the recent batch wit all the media coverage. > Not that it had never happened before. > I’ll attribute your confusion to your lack of reading comprehension. I don’t understand your point. Lots of people have thought of school massacres before the “recent batch with all the media coverage”, either because they committed it, were victimized by it, or read about it. Perhaps I’d understand better if you answered your question: who do you think had thought about it before this recent batch? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/47 "2018-05-18T20:40:59Z")
Fox News blames video games. > **[Fox News Host Blames Santa Fe Massacre On Video Games](https://crooksandliars.com/2018/05/fox-news-host-blames-sate-fe-massacre-kids)** > > Fox News' Jon Scott finds another nonsensical "reason" for the latest mass school shooting. Anything but guns, right, NRA? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/48 "2018-05-18T20:48:30Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I was being sarcastic. The lyrics I quoted were from “God’s Away on Business”, which seems like an appropriate song most days. A poem from me: Thoughts and prayers Teddy bears Never again How long has it been Light a candle It’s such a scandal Tut tut tut Another gun nut Second amendment How can you defend it Now’s not the time Now’s not the time ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/49 "2018-05-18T21:10:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Fox News blames video games. > [https://crooksandliars.com/2018/05/fox-news-host-blames-sate-fe-massacre-kids](https://crooksandliars.com/2018/05/fox-news-host-blames-sate-fe-massacre-kids) So would the NRA support a ban on pretend guns in video games? I’m not sure they have thought this through. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/50 "2018-05-18T21:16:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Those countries have different people, different cultures, different media, different politics, different histories, different gun laws, and a thousand other variables that make it too complex to determine the difference that capital punishment makes. Just to provide some data, death penalty states have higher murder rates than non-death penalty states. [Cite.](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/51 "2018-05-18T21:17:34Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > So would the NRA support a ban on pretend guns in video games? I’m not sure they have thought this through. The First Amendment is actually just part of the “prefatory clause” of the Second Amendment. Mere decoration. The operative clause is just the part about bearing arms. The remainder of the Bill of Rights are various “trailing clauses”, which I’m sure you’ll remember from your grammar school days, are also non-essential, decorative language. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/52 "2018-05-18T21:19:02Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > The First Amendment is actually just part of the “prefatory clause” of the Second Amendment. Mere decoration. The operative clause is just the part about bearing arms. The remainder of the Bill of Rights are various “trailing clauses”, which I’m sure you’ll remember from your grammar school days, are also non-essential, decorative language. > > Hope this helps. And don’t forget articles 1 to 7 of the prologue to the second amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/53 "2018-05-18T21:26:10Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > A poem from me: > > Thoughts and prayers > Teddy bears > Never again > How long has it been > Light a candle > It’s such a scandal > Tut tut tut > Another gun nut > Second amendment > How can you defend it > Now’s not the time > Now’s not the time Very nice. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/54 "2018-05-18T21:37:11Z")
Born to kill ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/55 "2018-05-18T22:28:09Z")
> [@johnod](#): > > Ever wonder how many fewer of these things there would be, IF the media didn’t go out of their way,sensationalize the whole thing, as much as possible ? Even if there were a link (which I doubt very much there is) it wouldn’t make any difference anymore. Thanks to chat rooms, Instagram, etc. etc., you can get all the glamorization you want of anything a twisted human mind can come up with. I had a distant relative who was [using insulin to aid her eating disorder](https://www.uwhealth.org/nutrition-wellness/eating-disorders-with-insulin-manipulation-for-weight-loss/13738). Ever hear of that? I sure hadn’t, but according to her, there’s a whole online subculture about it, with plenty of encouragement and tips just a click away. You don’t need “the media” to get ideas and encouragement. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/56 "2018-05-19T01:24:18Z")
Used his dad’s guns. And the idiot up her in IL the other day used his mom’s. How about liability for parents who fail to adequately secure their weapons, if they get used by their minor children? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/57 "2018-05-19T02:33:20Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Used his dad’s guns. And the idiot up her in IL the other day used his mom’s. How about liability for parents who fail to adequately secure their weapons, if they get used by their minor children? 1. It is difficult to secure anything in the home against a really determined high-school-aged person. 2. The father probably has committed no crimes, but will undoubtedly suffer greatly as a result of the murderer’s actions. I think the father’s punishment alread exceeds his crime. I mean, I don’t think he should have had guns around in the first place, but whatever mistakes he made are probably duplicated literally a million times in other Texas households alone. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/58 "2018-05-19T06:07:48Z")
y’know, I’m really fucking sick of “responsible” gun owners. There is responsible and “responsible”. If the firearm is secured, then the owner is responsible. This whole horseshit about “It was ““secured”” but a determined high schooler got it so I have not responsibility beyond my personal guilt” fucking meme. It is absolute. By definition, responsible gun owners have a firearm that no one else can access, if someone else got said firearm then it was not secure/responsible. Full stop and no free pass. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/59 "2018-05-19T06:46:20Z")
The fucking scum gun filth will be right in front with their thoughts and prayers, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/60 "2018-05-19T07:10:29Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > The little shit built some IEDs. What is this world coming to? In the 1950’s women wore gloves and men dressed up to go shopping. The idea of a woman swearing in public would have been scandalous. In the 60’s and 70’s I carried a knife with me every day to school from grade school to high school… I still remember a nun asking me for my boy scout knife to open a box because her scissors couldn’t cut through the tape. That would have been 4th grad. I learned to shoot in grade school. I made a 12 inch knife in shop class in high school. the rural schools had gun clubs and the kids brought guns to school so they could shoot after class. “what is the world coming to” sums it up nicely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400.md?page=4)