# Shooting at Santa Fe, Texas High School **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 18, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400 "2018-05-18T15:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/101 "2018-05-22T16:35:06Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > So, is the truck rental company responsible for the guy who drove a van along the sidewalk, killing a bunch of people? This analogy makes no sense. You can’t be serious. In the case of most vehicle murderers, the vehicle was deliberately rented to the murderer, who then used it for a purpose for which it was not intended. The murder weapon being in possession of the murderer was not an act of negligence, it was a deliberate thing, a common act of commerce. The correct analogy would not be your ridiculous one; it would be to, say, a person SELLING a rifle, entirely legally so, and the purchaser later using the rifle to murder someone. > [@](#): > > I think it’s absolutely illogical and immoral to hold one person responsible for the acts of another. No one is suggesting that. They are saying a person should be liable for their own negligent acts. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/102 "2018-05-22T21:50:34Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > So, is the truck rental company responsible for the guy who drove a van along the sidewalk, killing a bunch of people? I think it’s absolutely illogical and immoral to hold one person responsible for the acts of another. So as to read to personally defend himself and his family, a husband stores a loaded handgun in his nightstand sans trigger lock. While he is having a shower, his toddler pulls the gun out of the drawer and plays with it: “Look mommy! I’m a police off . . .” – BAM! She’s dead. Here is a list of laws in various US states that could be applicable. By your statement above, you would not agree with the penalties of any of them when applied to my scenario. [http://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/LAW/Documents/SummaryOfStateChildAccessPreventionLaws.pdf](http://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/LAW/Documents/SummaryOfStateChildAccessPreventionLaws.pdf) As far as the sidewalk massacre by the Ontario misogynist, it will be a wild ride as far as vicarious liability goes, for in Ontario there is a statute that holds the owner of a vehicle vicariously liable for damage caused by the operator’s negligence on a public highway, but (a) most (possibly all) of the killings were on the sidewalk, which in Ontario is not considered to be part of the highway, and (b) can cold blooded deliberate mass murder constitute negligence (for example, negligent in taking his meds etc.)? I wouldn’t begin to know whether or not the rental company will be held vicariously liable, but I somehow doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/103 "2018-05-23T01:33:48Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Unlike all of the gun experts here on the Straight Dope, I suppose. What do guns have to do with this video game problem? Oh, yeah, you’re right, they have _everything_ to do with it. Thanks for confirming the point that guns are the problem. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/104 "2018-05-23T02:17:08Z")
According to some Facebookers, it’s not because of guns, either. It’s because parents and teachers can’t beat children as a method of discipline. :mad: These people don’t like it when you ask them if they also think men should be allowed to do that to their wives. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400/105 "2018-05-23T02:45:45Z")
Well there’s the old expression: “If you can’t beat them, [del]join[/del] shoot them.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-santa-fe-texas-high-school/814400.md?page=5)