# Shooting at the high school I graduated from. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 24, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412 "2014-10-24T19:21:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/21 "2014-10-25T06:32:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I wonder why they were having lunch at 10:30 AM? When I was in high school way back in the 70’s the lunch periods were 10:36, 11:23, and 12:10. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/22 "2014-10-25T07:08:42Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > School shootings rants are so not about danger to the kids. > It is about abdicating responsibility by the parents and placing the blame on something other than themselves. > > We do not blame the cars for the drunk drivers, we blame the drivers. > > Why blame the gun for a drunk driver? > > Oh, you don’t like them & you like your car??? > > But cars are necessary, it is all different. I need to think of the children… Well, the numbers I find say drunk driving kills way more school aged children by nice clean cut law abiding middle American citizens than are killed in school from all causes. > > How many non-crazy school shooters have their been? > > If you don’t know or have a good idea of why the media shows just what they do, then you have not been reading much on the SDMB. > > The media surprises you? Bawahahaha > > People surprise you??? ( Sam Elliot quote goes here. ) :smack:I’d love to have JUST ONE of these shooting incidents go by without some gun enthusiast doing the standard, retarded, gun/car analogy. Just one. Maybe next time ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/23 "2014-10-25T07:37:25Z")
You’ve got plenty of unstable teenagers with all the associated teenage issues of alienation, anger and resentment. You also have lots of easily accessible guns. School shootings are bound to happen unless you reduce one of those two factors. Simplistic but true. Seeing as you aren’t willing to reduce the number of guns and teenage angst is the nature of the beast then, unfortunately, you are going to have lots, lots more. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/24 "2014-10-25T08:42:15Z")
My contribution to this thread is to relay my grief for the young people who were injured and those who were killed. It is also to note with a sad demeanor and a heavy heart that the young, teen-aged, freshman shooter was, like myself, an American Indian. On a less somber note, I would like to state that I was following **GusNSpot** ’s post right up until he asked “Why blame the gun for a drunk driver?” I am ashamed to confess that I somewhat misplaced his chain of reasoning at that juncture and was never able to re-acquire it. Perhaps it is something with which only a native northwest Arkansan can hope to retain familiarity. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/25 "2014-10-25T11:24:25Z")
I heard he used his fathers 40 caliber hand gun. That’s an awfully big gun, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/26 "2014-10-25T11:42:59Z")
Ugh. Very sorry, it was your former school, Kaiwik. And this wasn’t exactly general teen angst against the world. This appears to be personal. He shot his friends then himself, so I’m anxious to find out what provoked him to do this. Doesn’t look like he was unpopular-- far from it, being elected Homecoming prince a week ago. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/27 "2014-10-25T12:29:28Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > She has a point, but the character limit isn’t doing her any favors. [This article](http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/24/the-overwhelming-maleness-of-mass-homicide/) from after the Aurora shooting makes much the same point, but in a much better way. Have _any_ of these school shootings been done by a female yet? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/28 "2014-10-25T13:03:19Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > School shootings rants are so not about danger to the kids. > It is about abdicating responsibility by the parents and placing the blame on something other than themselves. > > We do not blame the cars for the drunk drivers, we blame the drivers. > > Why blame the gun for a drunk driver? > > Oh, you don’t like them & you like your car??? > > But cars are necessary, it is all different. I need to think of the children… Well, the numbers I find say drunk driving kills way more school aged children by nice clean cut law abiding middle American citizens than are killed in school from all causes. > > How many non-crazy school shooters have their been? > > If you don’t know or have a good idea of why the media shows just what they do, then you have not been reading much on the SDMB. > > The media surprises you? Bawahahaha > > People surprise you??? ( Sam Elliot quote goes here. ) Perhaps it’s because cars have a purpose other than causing death? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/29 "2014-10-25T13:08:11Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > School shootings rants are so not about danger to the kids. > It is about abdicating responsibility by the parents and placing the blame on something other than themselves. > > We do not blame the cars for the drunk drivers, we blame the drivers. > > Why blame the gun for a drunk driver? > > Oh, you don’t like them & you like your car??? > > But cars are necessary, it is all different. I need to think of the children… Well, the numbers I find say drunk driving kills way more school aged children by nice clean cut law abiding middle American citizens than are killed in school from all causes. > > How many non-crazy school shooters have their been? > > If you don’t know or have a good idea of why the media shows just what they do, then you have not been reading much on the SDMB. > > The media surprises you? Bawahahaha > > People surprise you??? ( Sam Elliot quote goes here. ) In most states cars and driving licenses are highly regulated and controlled. You must buy insurance in case you hurt someone, have training before getting the license, probationary periods, even if you accidentally misuse the car you get fined, etc etc. You can lose your car if you don’t keep it registered, leave it in the wrong spot. The size, power, and type of car are regulated. Some cars aren’t street legal because they’re too powerful or unsafe. Regulate guns like cars and drivers licenses and I’d be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/30 "2014-10-25T15:14:20Z")
PLEASE NOTE: I hate all of these school shootings and would perfectly with a full ban on all public ownership of guns. These replies are for informational purposes only. Please do not think I am a gun nut. I’ve even held a loaded gun. > [@Hopeful\_Crow](#): > > I keep thinking that when we were kids, we didn’t solve (and create) problems this way. How could the world have changed so much in so short of a time? This is untrue. School shootings have been happening for centuries. They’re just reported with more regularity today. > **[Lists of school shootings in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States)** > > Lists of school shootings in the United States include: And if you think this list is disproportionately weighted to recent years so things must be getting worse, I know for a fact that the list is missing a local shooting I remember from the mid 90s. But it was one student specifically targeting another student, so it wasn’t considered a “school shooting” as we used the term back then. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to some of the latest reports, the shooter was a really popular kid, which totally bucks the stereotype. Really weird, if true. I’m not sure how accurate this stereotype is. For example, the Columbine killers weren’t bullied and weren’t loners. They may not have been popular, but the only reason behind the shooting is that both were deeply mentally disturbed. I assume that eventually the police will discover the same reason behind this shooting. > **[10 years later, the real story behind Columbine - USATODAY.com](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-13-columbine-myths_N.htm)** > > They weren't goths or loners. The two teenagers who killed 13 people and themselves at suburban Denver's Columbine High School 10 years ago next week weren't in the Trenchcoat Mafia, disaffected videogamers who wore cowboy dusters. The killings... > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have _any_ of these school shootings been done by a female yet? The school shooting that inspired the song “I Don’t Like Mondays” was committed by a young woman named Brenda Spencer. > **[Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_%28San_Diego%29)** > > The Cleveland Elementary School shooting was a school shooting that took place on January 29, 1979, at Grover Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego, California, United States. The principal and a custodian were killed; eight children and police officer Robert Robb were injured. A 16-year-old girl, Brenda Spencer, who lived in a house across the street from the school, was convicted of the shootings. Charged as an adult, she pleaded guilty to two counts of murder and assault with a deadly we... ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/31 "2014-10-25T16:08:08Z")
Like cars, guns are sometimes misused by people with an impairment. You know, like a drunk or manic operator. Since I used the word driver, many can not seem to grasp the reference to the disconnect in their arguments as to why it is the fault of the existence of guns and not the fault of the existence cars. I used it ( the word ‘driver’ ) on purpose “but so many will not see.” ( I left the first part of that saying off on purpose also, which will absolutely confound many apparently because of … I have no idea why they will not get it. I do not know of many machines that do evil by themselves. It seems that many do not want to acknowledge that it is the people who are bad, broken, sick, crazy, etc., not the machines. They do not want to fix the problem, just do something that will not make them look in the mirror or really look inside their own family unit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/32 "2014-10-25T16:21:51Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Like cars, guns are sometimes misused by people with an impairment. You know, like a drunk or manic operator. > > Since I used the word driver, many can not seem to grasp the reference to the disconnect in their arguments as to why it is the fault of the existence of guns and not the fault of the existence cars. > > I used it ( the word ‘driver’ ) on purpose “but so many will not see.” ( I left the first part of that saying off on purpose also, which will absolutely confound many apparently because of … I have no idea why they will not get it. > > I do not know of many machines that do evil by themselves. > > It seems that many do not want to acknowledge that it is the people who are bad, broken, sick, crazy, etc., not the machines. > > They do not want to fix the problem, just do something that will not make them look in the mirror or really look inside their own family unit. You already did the “car” analogy. Rather than repeat yourself, could you say something about **IvoryTowerDenizen’s** response? ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/33 "2014-10-25T19:09:05Z")
Just wanted to add that this local station has been having very good, sensitive coverage, if you’re interested: > **[Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO](https://komonews.com/)** > > KOMO 4 TV provides news, sports, weather and local event coverage in the Seattle, Washington area including Bellevue, Redmond, Renton, Kent, Tacoma, Bremerton, SeaTac, Auburn, Mercer Island, Bothell, Shoreline, Lynnwood, Mill Creek and Everett. There are some awesome kids out there: [http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Oak-Harbor-forfeits-playoff-match-against-Marysville-Pilchuck-offers-1st-place-280394602.html](http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Oak-Harbor-forfeits-playoff-match-against-Marysville-Pilchuck-offers-1st-place-280394602.html) There are a lot of high schools and high school kids around the state showing their support via social media. Warms the heart in the middle of this tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/34 "2014-10-25T19:18:47Z")
Merged two threads. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/35 "2014-10-25T22:29:06Z")
So it appears this [happened over a school crush.](http://news.yahoo.com/social-media-posts-reveal-washington-school-shooters-personal-struggles-220952462.html) Damn, one pretty successful kid from a decent community goes nuts over one schoolgirl crush. Shit, he should’ve posted here. He would’ve gotten plenty of “She ain’t worth it, move on” replies from us. I hope the kids in ICU can fully heal and quickly. I’d love to hear the details of the events leading up to this. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2014, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/36 "2014-10-26T02:10:55Z")
You know what the problem is with the car analogy? Cars aren’t built to kill things. It’s not only not their primary purpose, it’s not any of their purpose (leave out tanks, please). Guns are. That’s what they’re designed to do, and they do it very, very well. It’s their entire _point_. I understand the love for a well made piece of equipment. I understand the enjoyment of learning a skill. I can even understand the yearning to collect multiple examples; hell, I’ve got enough books, believe me I understand the urge to collect. Guns aren’t cars. They’re weapons, they’re lethal, and the very least we should be willing to do is regulate them as strongly as cars are. No one believes that regulating and licensing guns will solve all the problems, but that doesn’t mean we can’t at least start solving some of them. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/37 "2014-10-26T02:56:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You already did the “car” analogy. Rather than repeat yourself, could you say something about **IvoryTowerDenizen’s** response? Nice thought, but I’m not holding my breath… ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/38 "2014-10-26T20:07:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You already did the “car” analogy. Rather than repeat yourself, could you say something about **IvoryTowerDenizen’s** response? Two threads were merged which is obvious so that means that you are just looking for something to _snark_ at me personally about because you do not make those kinds of mistakes. Your diliberate whack at me about something I obviously did not do says a lot more about you than about me. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/39 "2014-10-26T20:13:42Z")
A little something to help with your low blood pressure. ( I have permission to post this. ) > [@](#): > > In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States. > > In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States who later died from the wound. > > In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States. > > In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States. > > In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States. > > In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant. > > In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office. > > In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office. > > In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, TX. > > In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory. > > In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service. > > In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US. > > In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant. > > In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech. > > In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others. > > In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people. > > In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis. > > In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown, CT. > > In Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard. > > Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns. > > Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders. > > SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns. 🆒:D:) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412/40 "2014-10-26T21:59:18Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Two threads were merged which is obvious so that means that you are just looking for something to _snark_ at me personally about because you do not make those kinds of mistakes. Your diliberate whack at me about something I obviously did not do says a lot more about you than about me. 🆒 There was no mistake made, because my post came long before the merge, and **IvoryTowerDenizen’s** post was a response to your car analogy. Now-do you have some to say about that response, or not? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shooting-at-the-high-school-i-graduated-from/702412.md?page=3)