# Shootings at Chattanooga military facilities leave 4 Marines, gunman dead
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**Created:** [July 16, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364 "2015-07-16T21:26:15Z")
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/1 "2015-07-16T21:26:15Z")
Deja Vu. Same thing happened in my city in 2009. I drive by that location several times a week.
Another senseless attack on our military’s recruitment centers. ☹
Seems pretty obvious why. They’ll probably find posts from this nut on the web somewhere.
> **[Shootings at Chattanooga military facilities leave 4 Marines, gunman dead;...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/chattanooga-active-shooter-officer-down-live-coverage-154953657.html)**
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> A gunman opened fire at a pair of military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn., Thursday, killing four Marines at a naval reserve center.
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> Police say the shooter then drove 7 miles to the Chattanooga naval reserve center, where a witness told CNN she saw a man with “a high-powered rifle” fire multiple shots from a convertible silver Mustang into recruiting offices at the center shortly before 11 a.m. ET.
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> Four U.S. Marines were killed at the naval center, Pentagon officials told CNN. Their names have yet to be released.
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> The gunman, who has yet to be publicly identified, was killed at the scene. But multiple news outlets identified the suspected shooter as 24-year-old Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/2 "2015-07-16T21:52:39Z")
Much more details here at ABC 15 news
[http://www.abc15.com/news/national/active-shooter-incident-reported-at-tennessee-naval-center](http://www.abc15.com/news/national/active-shooter-incident-reported-at-tennessee-naval-center)
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> identified as 24-year-old Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.
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> He was believed to have been born in Kuwait, and it was unclear whether he was a U.S. or Kuwaiti citizen. The official was speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing, sensitive investigation. It was not immediately clear whether the gunman’s first name was spelled Muhammad or Mohammad.
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> He is from Hixson, Tennessee, which is just a few miles across the river from Chattanooga.
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> U.S. Attorney Bill Killian said officials were treating the attacks as an “act of domestic terrorism,” though FBI Special Agent in Charge Ed Reinhold said authorities were still investigating a motive.
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/3 "2015-07-16T23:24:13Z")
Of course the important thing is to call it terrorism, as if that changes anything. Yeah, he might have been an ISIS dude, most likely a lone wolf but let’s find out. I’m just sorry that it’s going to add fuel to the fire for Islamophobes.
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### Author:  [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/4 "2015-07-16T23:30:01Z")
What? He’s not a troubled mentally ill youth? Quelle surprise!
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/5 "2015-07-16T23:59:01Z")
The biggest and most important question is what can be done about the spread of extremism. What turned a seemingly well adjusted kid into a murderer. If he did become a Muslim extremist then its imperative we find out who he was influenced by and who provided the material.
We have to figure out a solution and soon. There’s too many bright kids getting radicalized. Many going off to fight with groups like ISIS. The ones that stay home are the biggest concern.
[The Southern Poverty Law Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center)went after the KKK with lawsuits. Holding them directly responsible for the hate they spread and the people that acted on their behalf. That might be a solution here too. Go after these radical clerics and their web sites with lawsuits. Take away their money, seize their assets and that effectively shuts them down. The KKK still hasn’t recovered from their losses.
just one idea. I’m sure many remedies are being looked at. We need to make this the highest priority. Find a legal way to get those web sites shut down. Then go after the radical Clerics and hold them accountable.
> **[Four Marines and gunman killed in Tennessee shootings](https://www.yahoo.com/news/shootings-multiple-places-near-chattanooga-army-center-officer-164728427.html)**
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> Four Marines were killed on Thursday by a gunman who opened fire at two military offices in Chattanooga, Tennessee, before being fatally shot in an attack officials called a brazen, brutal act of domestic terrorism. The FBI named the suspect as...
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> According to a resume believed to have been posted online by Abdulazeez, he attended high school in a Chattanooga suburb and graduated from the University of Tennessee with an engineering degree.
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> "I remember him being very creative. He was a very light minded kind of individual. All his videos were always very unique and entertaining,” said Greg Raymond, 28, who worked with Abdulazeez on a high school television program.
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> “He was a really calm, smart and cool person who joked around. Like me he wasn’t very popular so we always kind of got along. He seemed like a really normal guy,” Raymond said.
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### Author:  [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/6 "2015-07-17T02:06:13Z")
Everyone discussing this has decided to use it as a springboard for diving in to their pet agenda pools.
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/7 "2015-07-17T02:26:58Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> [The Southern Poverty Law Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center)went after the KKK with lawsuits. Holding them directly responsible for the hate they spread and the people that acted on their behalf. That might be a solution here too. Go after these radical clerics and their web sites with lawsuits. Take away their money, seize their assets and that effectively shuts them down. The KKK still hasn’t recovered from their losses.
Unlike the KKK, the Islamic “State” would probably try to kill folks who did that.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/8 "2015-07-17T03:47:36Z")
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> Of course the important thing is to call it terrorism, as if that changes anything. Yeah, he might have been an ISIS dude, most likely a lone wolf but let’s find out. I’m just sorry that it’s going to add fuel to the fire for Islamophobes.
Yet another killing spree from what you downplayed as a “lone wolf” (as if this matters) and you’re worried about what exactly? The dreaded retaliation cartoons?
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### Author:  [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/9 "2015-07-17T03:48:28Z")
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> Unlike the KKK, the Islamic “State” would probably try to kill folks who did that.
I dunno, they’re pretty mean dudes, but we’re talking about _lawyers_ here. I don’t think ISIS has had to deal with anything quite that scary.
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### Author:  [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/10 "2015-07-17T05:07:43Z")
When did a 24 year old college graduate become a kid?
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> “a high-powered rifle”
In other words, prolly not a 22 rimfire.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/11 "2015-07-17T05:37:56Z")
News reports say as a high school kid he was ok. Earned a college degree. Sometime or other he must have started reading radical material online and maybe a local Mosque filled his head with hate. That will all come out in the investigation.
That’s whats so disturbing about these radical web sites. People are being influenced and changed right in their homes and no one even knows about it. Until a pressure cooker bomb goes off at a public event or some guy with a rifle starts shooting at a military recruitment station.
It’s just going to get worse until somehow the world’s governments find a way to put a stop to these web sites. At least get them off the search engines and make them harder to find.
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### Author:  [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/12 "2015-07-17T07:23:29Z")
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> When did a 24 year old college graduate become a kid?
Since I turned 50, roughly… ☹
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### Author:  [@Niterover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Niterover)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/13 "2015-07-17T07:40:12Z")
QUOTE :Originally posted by BobLibDem
Of course the important thing is to call it terrorism, as if that changes anything. Yeah, he might have been an ISIS dude, most likely a lone wolf but let’s find out. I’m just sorry that it’s going to add fuel to the fire for Islamophobes.
Really Bob innocent people killed and THIS is your first concern?
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### Author:  [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/14 "2015-07-17T10:36:38Z")
Easy case for the DOJ to solve. Clearly another case of sidewalk violence.
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/15 "2015-07-17T11:46:32Z")
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> QUOTE :Originally posted by BobLibDem
> Of course the important thing is to call it terrorism, as if that changes anything. Yeah, he might have been an ISIS dude, most likely a lone wolf but let’s find out. I’m just sorry that it’s going to add fuel to the fire for Islamophobes.
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> Really Bob innocent people killed and THIS is your first concern?
All the recreational grief in the world isn’t going to bring back the people murdered. What I object to is that some people will use it as fuel for the Islamophobic fire. The right wing media is already using the incident to recycle long-debunked lies about Bill Clinton, as Fox “News” [blames him for the shooting.](http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/16/fox-news-lies-blames-bill-and-hillary-clinton-chattanooga-shootings.html)
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> Unfortunately, the executive order put in place by President Bill Clinton back in the nineties took away the rights for service members to carry, conceal, and to protect themselves here in the homeland.”
Debunked by [Snopes.](http://snopes.com/Politics/clintons/baseguns.asp)
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### Author:  [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/16 "2015-07-17T12:10:19Z")
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> Within hours of the bloodshed, law officers with guns drawn swarmed what was believed to be Abdulazeez’s house, and two females were led away in handcuffs.
Significant?
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### Author:  [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/17 "2015-07-17T12:13:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> News reports say as a high school kid he was ok. Earned a college degree. Sometime or other he must have started reading radical material online and maybe a local Mosque filled his head with hate. That will all come out in the investigation.
OK, but since, as you say, there needs to be an investigation, maybe we can dial back the knee-jerk “radical ISIS websites are coming to get our kids!” talk–or at least just put it off a day or two?
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/18 "2015-07-17T12:20:37Z")
It is a bit weird that civilians can walk around armed (at least in Tennessee), but military personnel are not to be trusted with carrying weapons.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/19 "2015-07-17T15:36:49Z")
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> It’s just going to get worse until somehow the world’s governments find a way to put a stop to these web sites. At least get them off the search engines and make them harder to find.
Do you really think that suppressing information will be a successful tactic?
What other information would you like to suppress? In the name of freedom, of course.
I think a much better idea would be to interview the—oh, wait, he has been killed. Can’t happen.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, despite the positive reports from friends, neighbours, and colleagues, that an Arab kid growing up in small-town Tennessee post 9/11 had had to put up with a lot of shit. Being an immigrant is hard enough at the best of times; it’s a long way, culturally, from Kuwait to Chattanooga. I would also not be surprised if that situation had festered, and provided fertile ground for radicalization.
Of course, I haven’t the faintest idea, and by the time anyone does have good information, it will either be classified or we will have forgotten this due to the six or seven other mass shootings that have happened in the meantime.
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### Author:  [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/20 "2015-07-17T16:25:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> Of course the important thing is to call it terrorism, as if that changes anything. Yeah, he might have been an ISIS dude, most likely a lone wolf but let’s find out. I’m just sorry that it’s going to add fuel to the fire for Islamophobes.
Aaaaaaaand once again, the bodies are barely cold, and we have liberals racing to insist that, while REAL dead Marines are unfortunate, the greater danger is that somewhere, a hypothetical Islamophobe might be rearing his ugly head!
Tell me, Bob, were you equally upset when Dylan Roof was being treated as a “terrorist”?
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