# Shootings at Chattanooga military facilities leave 4 Marines, gunman dead **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 16, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364 "2015-07-16T21:26:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/21 "2015-07-17T17:29:30Z")
Speaking of radicalizing young people, [here](http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/Testimony%20Bledsoe.pdf) is the testimony of the father of one such young man. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/22 "2015-07-17T17:49:33Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Speaking of radicalizing young people, [here](http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/Testimony%20Bledsoe.pdf) is the testimony of the father of one such young man. I sympathize with that father - he clearly had nothing to do with the radicalization of his son. The Tennessee shooter’s father, on the other hand, is a Palestinian who was investigated several years ago for donating money to an organization “possibly connected to a foreign terrorist organization” and was on a terrorist watch list. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/23 "2015-07-17T18:00:56Z")
sigh. This is all too familiar. > **[Tennessee shooting of four Marines being investigated as terrorist act:...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/07/18/tennessee-shooting-of-four-marines-being-investigated-as-terrorist-act-prosecutor-gunmans-trip-to-middle-east-being-probed/)** > > The heavily armed executioner of four Marines was described by friends as an all-American guy — until something flipped in his head that sent him into a homicidal frenzy. His lethal spree thr… > [@](#): > > Investigators continued to comb through the slain killer’s computer Friday in search of any clues for a motive in the Thursday killings. > > The lone wolf assassin was apparently operating below the radar of federal officials who track home-grown terrorists, and officials hoped to determine what set off the lethal assault. > [@](#): > > The Journal reported that counterterrorism officials were tracing Abdulazeez’s path from last year to determine whether he visited other Middle Eastern nations or met with radicals. > > The slain shooter, a native of Kuwait, made several trips to Jordan during his life. He returned to Tennessee this year after moving back to the Middle East last year for an extended stay. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/24 "2015-07-18T04:11:45Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It is a bit weird that civilians can walk around armed (at least in Tennessee), but military personnel are not to be trusted with carrying weapons. Military personnel have the same rights to carry firearms as civilians, generally, but their options get more limited when on duty or when on a military installation. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/25 "2015-07-18T04:26:21Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Military personnel have the same rights to carry firearms as civilians, generally, but their options get more limited when on duty or when on a military installation. Ok. Let me change it then. It is weird that military personnel are not trusted to carry firearms when on duty or when on a military installation. Different countries and circumstances, of course, but in the IDF, soldiers do carry firearms, on duty, on base and on leave. They are trusted not to misuse them, and the incidents of such misuse are extremely rare. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/26 "2015-07-18T08:12:40Z")
Not sure how this will be implemented. I guess its up to the General to decide who needs to be armed on duty. > **[Gov. Hutchinson orders National Guard to relocate members to armories](https://www.katv.com/archive/gov-hutchinson-authorizes-ar-national-guard-to-arm-full-time-military-personnel-following-chattanooga-attack)** > > Following his order Friday to Adjutant General Major General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel, Gov. Asa Hutchinson issued an executive order Monday to protect the Arkansas National Guard. > [@](#): > > LITTLE ROCK (KATV) - > > In the wake of the shootings Thursday at the Navy and Marine reserve center in Chattanooga, Tenn., Governor Asa Hutchinson has authorized Arkansas National Guard Adjutant General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel. > > In addition, the Governor has issued a proclamation ordering the state flag of Arkansas to be flown at half-staff from sunrise to sunset on Monday, July 20, 2015 as a mark of respect and as an expression of public sorrow for the four Marines killed, including Arkansas native Staff Sgt. David Wyatt of Russellville. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/27 "2015-07-18T11:57:21Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Aaaaaaaand once again, the bodies are barely cold, and we have liberals racing to insist that, while REAL dead Marines are unfortunate, the greater danger is that somewhere, a hypothetical Islamophobe might be rearing his ugly head! > > Tell me, Bob, were you equally upset when Dylan Roof was being treated as a “terrorist”? People are weirdly anal-obsessive with the word “terrorist”. How many people do you have to kill to be a terrorist? Was Manson a terrorist? Was the University of Texas shooter? Call him a terrorist. Fine. Don’t call him one. Fine. It’s the same fucking result. You investigate what might have been the motivation, you go through his contacts, you try to determine if there were any accessories. So it’s like a crime investigation, which it is. Yet every time one of these things happen, the right wing gets all bent out of shape if Obama doesn’t sprint to a microphone and utter the word “terrorism” the instant the news breaks. Now we can have a national pity party about how these dead guys were the most awesome people in recorded history and how everything is ruined forever. We can demonize all Muslims for this action. Or we can try to make some sense of this and see if there are warning signs that we should be picking up on. Maybe we have to ban or limit travel to certain nations or have those returning from those nations interviewed on return. We can do some things that make sense without trampling on religious freedom. Or we can try to be opportunists and blame the Democrats for not allowing the recruiters to pack heat (which has already been debunked but when it comes to slander and libel, lies become truth by repetition). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364/28 "2015-07-18T13:12:35Z")
Time to update the title: the fifth victim has died (a Naval petty officer): > **[Navy sailor becomes 5th victim to die after Tennessee shooting](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/navy-sailor-becomes-5th-person-to-die-after-tennessee-shooting/2015/07/18/6db7e2a8-2d4a-11e5-a250-42bd812efc09_story.html)** > > In the wake of Thursday’s attack, investigators sought a motive and security was heightened at military recruiting posts around the United States. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shootings-at-chattanooga-military-facilities-leave-4-marines-gunman-dead/725364.md?page=1)