# Shop class no no’s Shorts, long hair and giant prosthetic boobs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773 "2022-09-18T21:00:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/221 "2022-09-25T00:18:59Z")
Yeah, but do purses get caught in machinery during class? Yes, this story was put out there because of transphobia, it still doesn’t mean that having your hair hanging loose while using power tools isn’t just begging for a Darwin Award. No matter your gender identity. Gender identity also has nothing to do with whether a person is stupid – that’s just a human thing. And, as we all know, you can’t fix stupid. ☹ (Not to mention, I can’t imagine being that big and not needing some kind of support – her back must be killing her) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/222 "2022-09-25T00:28:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > But let’s go to the OP’s question; is it a no-no? I think most reasonable people would say so. Is it a wise fashion choice? Hell no, she looks like a clown and is going to throw out her back. If it a serious problem that’s going to damage her students? No. Will it distract her students? When they first encounter it, no doubt. After they’ve had 15 minutes to get used to it? Probably not. I remember the first day my employer dropped “business suits”. I spent half the day trying not to stare at my coworkers. I got over it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/223 "2022-09-25T00:42:12Z")
OK, so if the school board has issued a statement confirming that the pictured person is actually a teacher in the district, could someone link to that statement? Because so far, the only statement I’ve seen from the district is that the pictured person is not Stephen Hannah. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/224 "2022-09-25T02:36:33Z")
Thanks for asking this…I too have been wondering whether I missed something… ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/225 "2022-09-25T03:30:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > We know that the people in position to deny that the photo was of the woman in question have not done so, including the woman herself who has now been harassed. And we know that she really does identify as a woman. ⁢ > > We do? Last I saw, what we had confirmation of was that the picture was not of the person it was claimed to be of, and that the person it was claimed to be of continues to identify as male, and that the people in a position to comment on the photo don’t know who the photo is actually of. ⁢ I have seen nothing indicating the school said they don’t know who the picture is of. And I would not expect them to ever say it was in fact a picture of her, since they said this was an internal personnel matter. But the fact they said it was not the male teacher suggests they would also say if it wasn’t the female teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/226 "2022-09-25T04:05:46Z")
Is there _at the very least_ a link to an official school website that shows her as being part of the faculty? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/227 "2022-09-25T04:09:01Z")
They have taken down the faculty list. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/228 "2022-09-25T05:19:03Z")
Somewhere in Canada, there is a bird, homeless, being deprived of a sub-standard, poorly constructed house. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/229 "2022-09-25T11:58:39Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But the fact they said it was not the male teacher suggests they would also say if it wasn’t the female teacher. What female teacher? You’re assuming that the female teacher exists. If this “Kayla Lemieux” doesn’t actually exist, then they wouldn’t be able to say whether the picture was actually “Kayla Lemieux” or not. Here, again, is the only statement anyone has linked to from the school board: > [@](#): > > The Halton District School Board wo​uld like to formally correct misinformation that is being spread online and in the media about a staff member. > > Oakville Trafalgar High School has received significant attention online over the past several days. As part of this coverage, a teacher has been incorrectly identified as “Stephen Hanna”. **While we cannot confirm the identity of the individual in the photos/videos/radio segments, we can confirm that the individual is not Stephen Hanna. Stephen Hanna is a staff member of the Halton District School Board who is an entirely separate individual and is completely unrelated to this matter.** > > The HDSB requests that all news outlets/online publications who have incorrectly reported on this, correct this immediately and remove Mr. Hanna’s name from all content (i.e., print, online, video, etc.) related to this matter. “We cannot confirm the identity of the individual in the photos/videos/radio segments”. That sure sounds to me like they don’t know who it is. Or maybe it’s a privacy matter, but then why would they have confirmed that it wasn’t Stephen Hanna? Surely, saying who it isn’t is just as much a privacy violation. And if, hypothetically, “Kayla Lemieux” didn’t exist at all and were entirely the fabrication of trolls, what would be different about the school board’s statement? Further, if this person actually exists and is actually a high school teacher, then she interacts with hundreds of other people every day, most of whom have no contractual obligation to privacy concerning her. Not one of her students has come forward and given a statement to the media, or even to the “media”, that “Yes, that’s my shop teacher, Ms. Lemieux”? ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/230 "2022-09-25T13:15:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Surely, saying who it isn’t is just as much a privacy violation. To some extent, whether or not it is a privacy violation depends on how the person involved feels about it. It is not inconceivable that Stephen Hanna allowed ( or even asked ) the school district to clarify that he is not the person pictured while the person in the photos has not given the district permission to release their pre-transition name even while the school district knows exactly who is in the photos. As far as the students giving statements to the “media” , my understanding is that the reason for “Stephen Hanna” being given as the pre-transition name of Kayla Lemieux was because people identifying themselves as students claimed on social media that Kayla Lemieux was formerly known as Stephen Hanna. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/231 "2022-09-25T13:20:02Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > As far as the students giving statements to the “media” , my understanding is that the reason for “Stephen Hanna” being given as the pre-transition name of Kayla Lemieux was because people identifying themselves as students claimed on social media that Kayla Lemieux was formerly known as Stephen Hanna. Where did you see that? All the social media I found was from right wing activists. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/232 "2022-09-25T13:38:51Z")
Read the fucking thread. You keep asking questions you’d know the answer to if you read the thread instead of jumping on me. I’ve already twice had to point out information already on the thread to people who wanted to ignore it. And one of those was replying to you. The last thing we need for the cause is this sort of game playing. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/233 "2022-09-25T13:50:45Z")
I hadn’t seen the actual social media posts, just [articles](https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured/am-tampa-bay/content/2022-09-21-transgender-teacher-wearing-large-prosthetic-bust-causes-controversy-online/) referring to them. But now that I’ve clicked through on one of them I found this, from [https://twitter.com/Slatzism](https://twitter.com/Slatzism) > Further, a student who showed me his OTHS student ID advised that this person was previously known as Stephen Hanna. Reduxx did not run this as verified because all we could confirm for certain was the other name, thanks to the Directory. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/234 "2022-09-25T14:55:01Z")
Good for you, the shock you got not seeing business suits on coworkers was over in 15 minutes. And you say the same is probably true of students of shop teacher? It’s okay for you so everyone in school should just chill the fuck out and act like it’s normal teacher attire? You’d be okay with QAnon shaman coming to school in body paint and horns? Because they’d all get used to it in 15 minutes right? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/235 "2022-09-25T14:59:37Z")
I would have no problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/236 "2022-09-25T14:59:45Z")
What class is he teaching? (People must learn to stop judging others by their clothes and to look at their speech and behavior.) ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/237 "2022-09-25T15:00:36Z")
Political science or reproductive health. When your getup is a distraction no one is listening. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/238 "2022-09-25T15:04:24Z")
I did read the thread. Is there some other statement from the school board that I missed? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/239 "2022-09-25T15:47:46Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > But now that I’ve clicked through on one of them I found this, from [https://twitter.com/Slatzism](https://twitter.com/Slatzism) Yes, it’s coming from Reduxx, a radical anti-trans web site. That Twitter account belongs to an employee of that site. That’s where this stuff is coming from. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/240 "2022-09-25T16:56:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What female teacher? You’re assuming that the female teacher exists. If this “Kayla Lemieux” doesn’t actually exist, then they wouldn’t be able to say whether the picture was actually “Kayla Lemieux” or not. > > Here, again, is the only statement anyone has linked to from the school board: I have firsthand actual confirmation from HDSB personnel that she does. This story is real. > [@Chronos](#): > > Not one of her students has come forward and given a statement to the media, or even to the “media”, that “Yes, that’s my shop teacher, Ms. Lemieux”? This was a week ago: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ayzyvfsCQs4/hqdefault.jpg "HIGH SCHOOL DEBATE: Students, parents weigh-in on trans teacher") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzyvfsCQs4) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=13)