# Shop class no no’s Shorts, long hair and giant prosthetic boobs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773 "2022-09-18T21:00:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/401 "2022-10-03T22:27:10Z")
And this what we call “projection”. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/402 "2022-10-03T23:16:31Z")
[![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg60FNVXgAEnDS0.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg60FNVXgAEnDS0.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/403 "2022-10-03T23:28:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Reading these examples of “goofy hijinx” killed a little bit of my soul. You sound like someone who read about the concept of “fun” in a book once, but has never had any personal experience with it. > [@Gatopescado](#): > > Maybe this one right here… I was thinking _It_ 🎈 ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/404 "2022-10-04T00:24:52Z")
> [@chela](#): > > her outfit is highly inappropriate for teaching high school. This. I can’t think of a valid reason a teacher would wear that to school. If I were to wear that to my workplace, I would be immediately sent home. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/405 "2022-10-04T00:44:53Z")
You realize that every day vast numbers of people, some on this very board, use their mind reading powers to determine intent. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/406 "2022-10-04T00:52:54Z")
Heeeeeeere’s. @Sunny_Daze are we that desperate? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Hlt3rA-oDao/maxresdefault.jpg "Kellywise - SNL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlt3rA-oDao) > [@](#): > > I was thinking _It_ 🎈 ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/407 "2022-10-04T01:05:59Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I can’t think of a valid reason a teacher would wear that to school. If I were to wear that to my workplace, I would be immediately sent home. But @Miller - gave us one earlier that is plausible. If she is experiencing dysphoria, and is using that manner of apparel to address it, _especially_ if she notified the school board ahead of time, she not only has a valid reason but is probably shielded from the school making an about face. After the very, Very slanted coverage that came up afterwards, the school may be regretting it, but that would contribute to their reasons to say as little as possible about it other than ‘just the facts’. I’ve seen workplaces with very strict dress codes that have made plenty of exceptions when presented with clear, reasonable reasons for an employee to be non-compliant - generally for religious or medical reasons, and could easily see this as being a similar case. Still, this is all just speculation, and until the person involved or the school system chooses to provide more information to the rest of us gossips, that’s all it will remain. And considering how various transphobes took the information and ran with it, they may feel (correctly even!) that it’s more trouble than it’s worth, and will keep feeding the 'phobes, JUST LIKE HERE. ETA - to be clear @Crafter_Man, I’m responding to your direct comment, I have no reason to believe you’re a transphobe, which I will not say for others in the thread. Because even if it’s the Pit, I don’t want to accuse posters of activities I have not to date seen any evidence for. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/408 "2022-10-04T02:38:01Z")
Entering this discussion very late but also very confused. I’m gathering it is established that this shop teacher is a real person who is a trans woman? And it is established that she made a conscious decision to present herself as having extremely large breasts with extremely prominent nipples? In her workplace? A workplace that is not sex work? Is that correct? Really? If that is the case then I would think it not to dissimilar to a cis-female deciding to have surgery to augment to that size breast and that degree of nipple prominence and also choosing workplace clothing that kept the outline of the nipple visible. I’m not a mental health expert but I would be concerned about that cis-woman’s mental state for making those choices. I wouldn’t be defending them, and I wouldn’t be accusing anyone uncomfortable with them of, well, anything. Cis-female or trans-female, I have a very hard time imagining any scenario in which that is not choosing to present yourself as a caricature of female rather than as female. I cannot see that as a mentally healthy way to address body dysphoria. Harm to the kids? No, I do not think kids are so fragile. I don’t they would be harmed by a male teacher (cis or trans) wearing something inside their pants that made it look like they had an absurdly unnaturally large penis either. But I would think it was inappropriate at any non-sex work workplace, body dysphoria or not. And even more inappropriate as “a joke” even for “a kid dying of leukemia.” There MUST be something more to this story in reality. But if those basic facts are accurate I cannot imagine what they could be. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/409 "2022-10-04T02:48:52Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I’m gathering it is established that this shop teacher is a real person who is a trans woman? And it is established that she made a conscious decision to present herself as having extremely large breasts with extremely prominent nipples? In her workplace? A workplace that is not sex work? Is that correct? Really? We don’t have independent corroboration of this. We have anti-trans groups presenting that news. And not much else. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/410 "2022-10-04T03:04:30Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Spirit week is the week of the homecoming game when everyday has a different theme, favorite sports team, wacky hair day, school spirit day etc. allowing students to participate if they want to. I despised “spirit week” like nobody’s business. That’s because “if they want to” meant, in reality, “they’re fucked if you don’t participate”. The bullshit forcing of saying the pledge of allegiance has nothing on spirit week. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/411 "2022-10-04T03:44:44Z")
Okay. But my confusion persists. How is that, potentially fictionalized, story “anti-trans”? Again to me the inappropriateness exists whether she is a trans or a cis woman. Intentionally altering yourself to present in your workplace as a caricature of your gender is disturbing. It would disturbing for a cis-woman to alter herself and present herself that way, and it does not become less (or more) disturbing if the woman is a trans-woman. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/412 "2022-10-04T03:47:45Z")
I’m with you. I attended OTTOMH 9 different high schools. I was not a popular kid and the other students treated me like crap. During one pep rally, I took out my homework and began doing it. None of the other kids bothered me. One teacher asked “Don’t you have any school spirit?” I answered no and went back to my homework. They gave me a stern lecture about how I should put my homework away. I said “Are you saying I’m going to get in trouble for quietly doing math? At school? I want you to think about that.” They shut up and left me alone. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/413 "2022-10-04T04:04:35Z")
‘Teacher dresses inappropriately’ does not get international coverage. The story was spread, here and elsewhere, with the subtext ‘Point and laugh at the tr\*nny!’ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/414 "2022-10-04T04:05:34Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > How is that, potentially fictionalized, story “anti-trans”? Because it is attempting to manufacture a controversy about photos that may or may not be genuine, about someone that may or may not be a trans woman, and they may or may not be dressing this way in a school where they may or may not be a teacher. Not to mention, they are claiming that she identifies as a woman, but if so they consistently misgender her through the entire article. > **[Ontario High School Teacher Seen Wearing Massive Prosthetic Bust to Class -...](https://reduxx.info/ontario-high-school-teacher-seen-wearing-massive-prosthetic-bust-to-teach/)** > > Photos and videos out of a Canadian High School are going viral as they show a male teacher wearing what appears to be large, prosthetic breasts in full view of young students. Shocking media first began to circulate on Twitter earlier this week,... Not to mention the fully one-sided “reporting” in the follow-up article. Apparently everyone is up in arms and horrified by this behavior. > **[Ontario High School Defends "Fetishistic" Large Bust-Wearing Teacher - Reduxx](https://reduxx.info/ontario-high-school-defends-fetishistic-large-bust-wearing-teacher/)** > > The Ontario High School at the center of controversy for having a male teaching young students while donning a large prosthetic bust has issued a full defense of the teacher in a newly-leaked email sent to parents. On September 16, Reduxx confirmed... The whole web site is very anti-trans. All trans people are just playing make-believe because of sick fetishes and they’re also pedophiles. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/415 "2022-10-04T04:12:58Z")
Many Ontario and other Canadian universities due celebrate Homecoming. It generally includes a football game, events for alumni to encourage further donations and such. It is probably a bigger deal in the US but no little about that. I never considered it that important. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/416 "2022-10-04T04:20:23Z")
Canadian universities, yes, and the celebrations are as you describe. But not Canadian high schools. The closest my high school came to an American homecoming was the annual charity drive–football games, and costumed people soliciting donations for the chosen charity in classrooms–but no alumni. Hell, I’m proud that I went there, and I might drive by the old school when I’m in that city, but that’s the closest I’ve come to it in the time since graduation. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/417 "2022-10-04T04:27:21Z")
I completely accept that website is transphobic, hateful, inaccurate, untruthful, and more. And the issue remains. IF the story was accurate then it is a story about a woman who may be mentally disturbed. Whether or not that woman is cis or trans is irrelevant. She does not represent anyone else but herself, any more than [this man](https://www.ladbible.com/community/bodybuilder-injects-oil-muscles-viral-not-stopping-20220723.amp.html), apparently now deceased, who injected oil into his muscles to present as a masculine caricature, represents men, or even body builders. He was an individual with a serious problem. There are men with problems, some trans some cis. There are women with problems, some cis some trans. Yes a hateful website will highlight individuals of their target group who have problems (or make them up) and attempt to convince others that such is the rule and not the exception. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/418 "2022-10-04T04:30:37Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > IF the story was accurate then it is a story about a woman who may be mentally disturbed. That is a possibility of course, but we have such little real info that we can’t even make informed speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/419 "2022-10-04T04:40:22Z")
I didn’t realize this was a thing for American secondary schools. Do they generally seek donations too? You are right, never heard of this in Canadian public schools, and have no personal experience with the private ones. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/420 "2022-10-04T06:43:34Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Cis-female or trans-female, I have a very hard time imagining any scenario in which that is not choosing to present yourself as a caricature of female rather than as female. I cannot see that as a mentally healthy way to address body dysphoria. The whole situation strikes me as someone in desperate need of attention. Not many people choose to have massive breasts; many women get breast reductions because they find the back pain unbearable. Not everyone, but many do. And these are prosthetic breasts, no? So a person could really decide on the right breast size for the job when it comes down to it. This one seems almost designed as an “I dare you to harass me” which is why the school board is staying so low key. But if someone came to work naked, I imagine they’d have something to say about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=22)