# Shop class no no’s Shorts, long hair and giant prosthetic boobs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773 "2022-09-18T21:00:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/581 "2022-10-07T19:24:48Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It’s stupid, and you’re stupid, and you’ve made all of us incrementally stupider by forcing us to read it. That’s some irony you’ve got going there, Cheesesteak. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/582 "2022-10-07T19:27:30Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > The current assumption I’m making is that your spreading rumors because your scared of transsexuals Not in the least. What rumors pray tell? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/583 "2022-10-07T19:27:47Z")
Hormones, before birth, affect your perception as male or female. Its valid. Race isn’t affected by your body chemistry, so its not a good analogy. I am speculating; not an expert. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/584 "2022-10-07T19:31:27Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > You seem to be claiming that transwomen are really men. Further, you seem to be claiming that transwomen are lying and they know they’re lying > > I’m not actually claiming anything. I’m asking you or anyone else where they draw the line. I think one needs to do more than simply say they are a woman in order to be a woman. Or a man. Or black. Or Chinese. Or 23. Or anything really. Otherwise, why have definitions? Well that’s the thing. I don’t get to draw the line. If someone identifies as a woman, I don’t have any say in the matter. Neither do you. Same for people who identify as men, black people, or Chinese people. The age thing is still a dumbass argument. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/585 "2022-10-07T19:44:26Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Actually an Indian is someone from the country of India Would you like to visit the tribe I used to work for and explain to them how they’re all doing it wrong and need to change what they call themselves? I’d love to see that. While you’re at it, head over to the Bureau of Indian Affairs and get on their case about how they’ve been working with the wrong population for a 200 years. > [@Biffster](#): > > They’ve had to change the term to First Nations or Indigenous or Aboriginal here in Canada. Here’s a hint… The United States and Canada aren’t the same country. I know some people get confused on that point, but it’s a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/586 "2022-10-07T19:44:48Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Well that’s the thing. I don’t get to draw the line. If someone identifies as a woman, I don’t have any say in the matter. Neither do you. Same for people who identify as men, black people, or Chinese people. The age thing is still a dumbass argument. Well you certainly didn’t defend your point very well, if I’m allowed to say so. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/587 "2022-10-07T19:48:47Z")
It’s pointless to argue with people who rehash the same tired old bigoted claims. What, you couldn’t find a way to work in attack helicopter? All I can do is to tell you the way things are. You have no say in who does or does not identify as anything. You’re not a gatekeeper. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/588 "2022-10-07T19:56:37Z")
But aren’t we seeing that already in those who reject the shop teacher as a transwoman? They want proof and cites beyond what her employer is providing. They don’t believe her sincerity based on how she presents herself. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/589 "2022-10-07T20:02:39Z")
> [@chela](#): > > They want proof and cites beyond what her employer is providing Because her employer is providing nothing. They won’t give out any info because of privacy reasons. Which is understandable, of course, but it doesn’t help the discussion. > [@chela](#): > > They don’t believe her sincerity based on how she presents herself. “How you present yourself” isn’t what being trans is. It’s often part of it, but your identity isn’t solely what you look like. This is like talking to a five-year-old. Except I think my daughter was a bit savvier when she was five. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/590 "2022-10-07T20:08:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@chela](#): > > > > They don’t believe her sincerity based on how she presents herself. > > “How you present yourself” isn’t what being trans is. It’s often part of it, but your identity isn’t solely what you look like. And we still don’t know whether or not this is how she presents herself on a regular basis. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/591 "2022-10-07T20:13:58Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Not in the least. What rumors pray tell? That’s what I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/592 "2022-10-07T20:15:36Z")
A friend of mine is a trans woman. At one point she had surgery done to appear more feminine. She had a GoFundMe page to pay for the procedure because it was expensive. Fortunately, she had plenty of fans and friends online (she does tabletop RPG design as a side job) and was able to afford it that way. But the reason she did so was heartbreaking to me. She didn’t do it because she wanted to change her appearance. She did it because she was tired that people were not treating her as a woman despite being one. She went through all of that expense, pain, recovery, everything, just to be more accepted. It’s pretty fucked up. Of course I supported her (financially and emotionally) but it’s pretty shitty that she had to go through that. So that’s partially what I mean when I say that how you present yourself is part of it, but clearly not what it’s all about. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/593 "2022-10-07T20:16:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Race and sex are very different things. Why would you assume they work the same way? > > Transgender people aren’t a thought experiment. They’re real people, who have a genuine experience of feeling a disconnect between their biological sex and their social gender, to the extent that about half of them will be suicidal at some point in their lives. Are there millions of people who feel a disconnect between the race they were born as, the race they want to be seen as? Is this disconnect so deep that it’s a genuine mental health crisis for people experiencing it? No. There are not. If there were, “transracialism” would be a thing worth discussing, but it’s not a thing that actually exists. You’ve got one contemporary example of ome woman who pretended to be a different race for significant financial and professional gain, and about a century ago, a lot of Black people who passed as White to escape invidious, pervasive racism, but there’s absolutely no evidence for the existence of “transracialism” that’s remotely comparable to the well documented, extensively studied phenomenon of transgenderism. Quoting this whole post, because it really answers all the questions regarding race, age, etc. Anyone who is still asking why you can’t identify as 23 or Black or whatever, hasn’t read this post. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > Yet there are people who do, and those rare individuals seem, almost universally, to be white, so we can rule out getting benefits and avoiding persecution as possible motives. This is really silly. By far, like by really far, most people who identified as a different race [identified as white](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)) in order to avoid persecution. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/594 "2022-10-07T20:24:12Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > > [@chela](#): > > > > > > They don’t believe her sincerity based on how she presents herself. > > > > “How you present yourself” isn’t what being trans is. It’s often part of it, but your identity isn’t solely what you look like. > > And we still don’t know whether or not this is how she presents herself on a regular basis. Does it really matter how she presents herself on a regular basis? Is she not a transwoman if she decides to bind her prosthetic one day or go braless the next? Should you be the gatekeeper on how she feels like transitioning? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/595 "2022-10-07T20:26:48Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Does it really matter how she presents herself on a regular basis? > [@chela](#): > > Distractingly large prosthetic boobs on a trans shop teacher who also wears shorts and long hair wig while teaching high schoolers how to use power tools. Seems like an accident waiting to happen. I love when a poster calls their entire thread worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/596 "2022-10-07T20:28:12Z")
A friend of ours is also a trans woman, self-employed as an IT consultant. AFAIK, the only people not treating her as a woman have been her relatives, which we encountered first-hand. She’s only gone as far as to have hormone therapy and wears a wig on a regular basis to hide her thinning, graying hair. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/597 "2022-10-07T20:31:05Z")
In her private life she can dress how she wants. In her role as a teacher she is still subject to the rules and expectations of her employer. That means appropriate attire. But you want to be the ultimate authority on whether you accept her and her transition. Sounds like gate keeping to me. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/598 "2022-10-07T20:41:08Z")
> [@chela](#): > > In her private life she can dress how she wants. > > In her role as a teacher she is still subject to the rules and expectations of her employer. That means appropriate attire. People aren’t talking about how she dresses at home vs at work. That doesn’t matter. They’re talking about whether she dresses this way on a regular basis, or if this was done just once, and why it was done. We don’t know any of that, and therefore it’s difficult to judge anything. I’m guessing we’ll probably never know. > [@chela](#): > > But you want to be the ultimate authority on whether you accept her and her transition. Sounds like gate keeping to me. Nobody is buying your concern trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/599 "2022-10-07T20:45:26Z")
Do we even have a statement by the person in the photos as to their gender identity? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/600 "2022-10-07T20:46:58Z")
Pretty sure we don’t even have a confirmation of her name, just who it isn’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=31)