# Shop class no no’s Shorts, long hair and giant prosthetic boobs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773 "2022-09-18T21:00:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/601 "2022-10-07T21:37:37Z")
The US government reclassified Italians, Jews, and some indigenous tribes as “white” in the last century, when previously they considered these groups to be non-white “races.” Clearly these are at least in part social categories in addition to potentially ethnic and genetic categories. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/602 "2022-10-08T03:08:18Z")
> [@susan](#): > > The US government reclassified Italians, Jews, and some indigenous tribes as “white” in the last century, when previously they considered these groups to be non-white “races.” Clearly these are at least in part social categories in addition to potentially ethnic and genetic categories Racial groups for people are a chef’s salad of physical traits (skin color, hair texture, etc.), cultural traits (religion, language, etc.), and geographic origin that are put together to create categories that often have political or historical importance (oppression, othering, etc.). Those categories imperfectly map onto genetic ancestral origin. Just as ancestral origin and “race” are related, but far from perfectly aligned, gender and sex can be related, but it is not a perfect mapping from one to the other. Neither gender nor sex are binary or fixed categories, so it is no surprise at all that the relationship between the two is complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/603 "2022-10-08T05:20:47Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > However, I’m surprised that none of the 1000+ high school students have said anything . Either to confirm or deny part(s) or all of the story. Anything. The other thing that is conspicuously missing from this is any complaint from the 2000+ parents of kids attending the school. Seriously, if there was even the slightest wiff that the attire or behavior of this teacher was negatively affecting their\* students en mass, then the parents would have made their concerns known. The fact that Chela is more concerned about children who he doesn’t know but has concluded are being severely damaged by the presence of large boobs in the class room but that parents of the children themselves aren’t even willing to so much as writhe a letter to the editor of the local paper suggests that the harm to the children may not be as bad as Chela thinks. My theory is that whoever the teacher in that picture is, they are probably generally well respected and well liked by the student body who were more or less fine with the incident in questions, and so are united in their support of them. Long story short, if the kids aren’t bothered by it and the parents are bothered by it, and the school board isn’t bothered by it why should we be bothered by it? \*I’m using they/them as a pronoun since it still hasn’t been fully established as the to preferred identity of the teacher in question. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/604 "2022-10-08T05:51:54Z")
I think @RickJay posted a link to a local paper that had photos of a small protest by parents. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/605 "2022-10-08T06:06:55Z")
OK so there was maybe a few transhobic parents who came out, although it sounded like they were outnumbered by outsiders portesting. Still the idea that their children are being severely harmed seems to be a minority view. ---
**Author:** ![omenran](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omenran/32/3318_2.png) [@omenran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omenran)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/606 "2022-10-08T09:28:31Z")
Re-reading this article posted earlier: [https://www.thestar.com/local-burlington/news/2022/09/23/it-s-just-wrong-protesters-react-to-oakville-transgender-teacher-s-inappropriate-dress.html](https://www.thestar.com/local-burlington/news/2022/09/23/it-s-just-wrong-protesters-react-to-oakville-transgender-teacher-s-inappropriate-dress.html) No parents of students at the high school were quoted. Just a mother of a young child (which implies not of High School age to me) and someone worried about their grand nieces and nephews. Three students are also quoted, but don’t give an impression that they’re in the class. I like how the article claims the protestors had no signs when the pictures at the head of the article all show different signs. Speaking of those pictures, one sign has PPC in one corner, and one guy is wearing a “Proud Member [Maple Leaf] Fringe Minority” which seems to be associated with the Trucker protests and right wing parties as well. And most of those pictured are usually way past the age of having a high school aged child, though it doesn’t mean one isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/607 "2022-10-08T11:20:22Z")
And no one mentioned the nipples. I wonder if that WAS photoshopped. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/608 "2022-10-08T14:45:45Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I hope you can accept that the maxim of “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” applies here. There is no extraordinary claim here. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/609 "2022-10-08T15:09:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > This is like talking to a five-year-old. Except I think my daughter was a bit savvier when she was five. You sound like a proud Papa however you should not be mentioning your baby daughter to prop up your argument or to demean anyone else. That’s a pretty shitty thing for you to do in her name. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/610 "2022-10-08T15:10:25Z")
> [@chela](#): > > You sound like a proud Papa however you should not be mentioning your baby daughter to prop up your argument or to demean anyone else. That’s a pretty shitty thing for you to do in her name The retort of last resort. Lame. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/611 "2022-10-08T15:19:45Z")
> [@chela](#): > > You sound like a proud Papa however you should not be mentioning your baby daughter to prop up your argument or to demean anyone else. That’s a pretty shitty thing for you to do in her name. Concern trolling take to a new low. You can fuck right off. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/612 "2022-10-08T15:40:21Z")
Well it’s interesting to observe the mature discussions that have developed about this topic. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/613 "2022-10-08T16:15:09Z")
The topic was immature from the start. “Let’s point and laugh at the crazy trans person” was really the theme, with some bullshit concern trolling about shop class safety. As you know, shop class safety is a frequent debate and BBQ Pit subject. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/614 "2022-10-08T18:04:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There is no extraordinary claim here. The claim that this is a transwoman who wears this as everyday regular attire _is_ a bit extraordinary, and it has not been backed by any evidence. > [@Biffster](#): > > Well it’s interesting to observe the mature discussions that have developed about this topic. Yeah, @chela’s attempt at shaming someone for having a family was pretty low, I’ll agree with you on that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/615 "2022-10-08T19:31:43Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There is no extraordinary claim here. I believe that you see nothing extraordinary here. You, and others who have a pre-existing image in your head of trans people as scary deviant mentally unstable creatures trying to force their fetish disturbed behavior into your faces, will instead see confirmation of your transphobia. You do not have a volume of experiences with normal people who happen to be trans. But to most of us, those of us without belief that all trans people are by definition mentally unstable and deviant, the story of a mentally stable woman, cis or trans, suddenly showing up to work presenting as a caricature of a woman, with not only with suddenly unnatural absurdly large breasts but with exaggerated nipples highlighted in her clothing, is an extraordinary claim. I agree that @Atamasama made a statement that was shitty regarding their daughter. To only _think_ that she was savvier at five than that? It is insulting to not be sure that she was savvier than that when she three! That’s the age of underwear on the head humor sophistication, which is where this crowd is at best, not the simple word play level that fives have! Until you @-dropped me I had gotten out of this thread but returning is enlightening. The transphobes have really outed themselves over the course of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/616 "2022-10-08T19:37:35Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I agree that @Atamasama made a statement that was shitty regarding their daughter. To only _think_ that she was savvier at five than that? It is insulting to not be sure that she was savvier than that when she three! That’s the age of underwear on the head humor sophistication, which is where this crowd is at best, not the simple word play level that fives have! To clarify, my daughter was **definitely** more savvy. I’m have multiple trans friends, one of whom comes over every now and then, and it’s no big deal to her. And it never has been. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/617 "2022-10-08T21:44:24Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There is no extraordinary claim here. This is not a good faith effort to contribute to the discussion. We see you. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/618 "2022-10-09T03:21:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The claim that this is a transwoman who wears this as everyday regular attire _is_ a bit extraordinary, and it has not been backed by any evidence. There is photographic and video evidence. Why would you say there is _no_ evidence? > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is not a good faith effort to contribute to the discussion. Is anyone here still insisting the story isn’t true? If not, then there’s nothing “Extraordinary” about it, in the sense that phrase is used in determining the extent of burden of proof. What is it you think I’m arguing here? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/619 "2022-10-09T03:25:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > What is it you think I’m arguing here? Some bad faith bullshit. If you want to pretend that the events that inspired this thread are ordinary, I can’t stop you, but I don’t have to play along. Have fun with that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773/620 "2022-10-09T04:49:06Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There is photographic and video evidence. Why would you say there is _no_ evidence? There are photos of me at my work dressed as a pirate. That is not my everyday wear. (It’s tough to crawl under desks wearing the hat.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shop-class-no-no-s-shorts-long-hair-and-giant-prosthetic-boobs/971773.md?page=32)