# Shortwave radio: Is it still a thing? Is there anything worth listening to on it? Or is everything online? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** radio-podcast\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501 "2020-08-19T16:55:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/1 "2020-08-19T16:55:02Z")
Back when I was a kid and a news nerd, I got a subscription to the _Christian Science Monitor_, which was a newspaper owned by the Christian Science church, but had a reputation for high-quality international news. The church also ran a public radio production house that produced quality news programs under the name _Monitor Radio_. At some point, the church leadership decided to take direct control over the news operations to integrate it with its religious operations, fired the respected journalists at the _Monitor_, and shut down Monitor Radio. Anyway, this post isn’t about the Monitor. It’s about an ad I saw in the newspaper for a Grundig shortwave radio. I was fascinated and I persuaded my parents to get me a $100 Grundig World Receiver as a birthday gift. It didn’t have a digital tuner and I found it very difficult to manipulate, so I never quite learned to use it. It ended up being one of the many electronic gadgets in my life that found its demise from leaking batteries. My question is this. Is shortwave radio still a thing? What do people listen to on it? Is there any reason to get a shortwave radio receiver or is everything available on the internet these days? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/2 "2020-08-19T23:03:23Z")
I know the BBC has stopped broadcasting to the US. I know that amateur radio still uses shortwave (though some digital modes will be unintelligible without the right equipment) and WWV is still around. I think there are some religious stations. Brian N9IWP (lives in 0 land) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/3 "2020-08-19T23:13:16Z")
I listened on the shortwave when I was a kid. You could send letters to stations overseas and they’d send back a postcard. Life was very boring back then so it seemed kind of interesting at the time. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/4 "2020-08-19T23:17:28Z")
It is not what it used to be (I too was going to metion BBC World), but you can see that there are still plenty of broadcasts: [https://shortwaveschedule.com/](https://shortwaveschedule.com/) [http://www.worldofradio.com/index.html](http://www.worldofradio.com/index.html) [http://www.hfcc.org/schedule/](http://www.hfcc.org/schedule/) etc. Not _everything_ is on the Internet (and even today not everybody on the planet gets global satellite internet, but radios are pretty ubiquitous), and it is, or at least was, interesting to set up an adequate antenna and see what you can pick up. News, of course, but sometimes there would be interesting music or something really far out. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/5 "2020-08-19T23:22:34Z")
Reviebrah has a shortwave broadcast. Here’s a link to Reviewbrah so you can judge if you’re interested. > **[TheReportOfTheWeek](https://www.youtube.com/user/TheReportOfTheWeek/about)** > > Shortwave radio enthusiast and broadcaster who critiques comestibles, beverages and beyond, with intermittent postings of random videos and talk shows on a variety of topics. I produce a VORW Podcast on YouTube ► youtube.com/vorwpodcast > > I also host... (He also has a you tube channe where he reviews fast food items, that’s where he got his nickname.) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/6 "2020-08-19T23:44:45Z")
That’s Reviewbrah. Too late to edit the misspelling. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/7 "2020-08-19T23:44:58Z")
Anybody want a good deal on a CB Radio? 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/8 "2020-08-20T01:24:56Z")
I remember when I was a kid we had an old probably 1960s era\* radio in our basement that could receive shortwave in addition to the usual AM/FM bands. Sometime I’d flip the switch to SW just to see what I could pick up. I just remember coming across some conspiracy theorist/survivalist broadcast talking about how you should amass a large supply of gold and silver, because once the government collapses regular currency will be worthless and gold and silver will become the primary means of exchange. And I’m pretty sure I came across some of those mysterious [numbers stations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station) once or twice. \*It was new enough that it used transistors instead of vacuum tubes, but old enough that the label bragged about the fact that it used transistors. ---
**Author:** ![allyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@allyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/allyn)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/10 "2020-08-20T06:00:49Z")
In the 1970’s I had a Hallicrafters S-85 connected to 50 ft of wire running out of my window. I remember listening to Voice of America, Radio Moscow, Radio Peking, BBC World Service, etc. and Amateur Radio operators, Utility stations…also lots of weird communications modes I couldn’t identify… Today, through the magic of Software Defined Radio (SDR), you can listen to the shortwave bands on your computer at: [http://websdr.org/](http://websdr.org/) This website points to other websites around the world that have SDR radios setup to be accessible from the internet. Most of them seem to emphasize the ham bands but you may also hear some shortwave broadcasters too. ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/11 "2020-08-20T13:58:22Z")
You can obtain compete SDR radio systems to hook to your PC, or in some cases Android phone for less than $100 on Amazon. In some cases less then $25. It’s a cheap way to see what’s out there. The websdr site is also a lot of fun and free. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/12 "2020-08-21T09:52:18Z")
The old national broadcasters have largely shut down their shortwave operations (especially the ones focused at North America). It’s mostly just religious kooks and Cuban propaganda (both sides). ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/13 "2020-08-21T21:22:51Z")
> [@allyn](#): > > Most of them seem to emphasize the ham bands but you may also hear some shortwave broadcasters too. So what’s the diff tween Ham and Shortwave? ---
**Author:** ![allyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@allyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/allyn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/14 "2020-08-21T21:30:36Z")
The way I’m using the terms: Ham or Amateur Radio bands refer to the special bands set aside for Amateur Radio operators. Generally, these bands are segregated from commercial broadcasters. Shortwave bands would include the Ham bands as well as the Commercial broadcasting bands plus the military and utility operators. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/15 "2020-08-21T21:32:18Z")
“Ham” just refers to Amateur Radio AFAIK. Not all ham bands are shortwave, and obviously not all of the shortwave spectrum is allocated for amateur use. “short” waves = below 30 MHz but above 3 MHz, let’s say ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/16 "2020-08-21T21:36:37Z")
When I was a kid, I basically “borrowed” my dad’s 12(?)-band SW radio from Zenith, which was state of the art back in, like, the late 1970s but by the time I listened to it had some mileage on it. Still, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that I could occasionally hear broadcasts in Chinese or Japanese or some other language I’d never heard before, knowing the signals were traveling halfway around the world. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/17 "2020-08-21T21:47:12Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > “short” waves = below 30 MHz but above 3 MHz, let’s say FWIW, we ham radio operators almost never call the bands in that range shortwave and instead use HF for High Frequency. For example, you may hear something like “I use a fan dipole as my primary HF antenna.” However, we often refer to the wavelengths for individual bands like 40 meter (~7 MHz) and 70 cm (~400 MHz) bands. ---
**Author:** ![minor7flat5](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/minor7flat5/32/258_2.png) [@minor7flat5](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minor7flat5)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/18 "2020-08-22T01:36:57Z")
I have fond memories of my brief stint into ham radio…that ended when my neighbors started giving us grief about the interference I was causing in their television. But it sure was cool to strike up a conversation with random people in other states in Morse code. I didn’t have an audio oscillator on my radio, which meant I couldn’t hear my own keying, but that wasn’t a problem because the whole thing hummed and the lights dimmed with every tap of the key. The hams have always been the ones to get communications going in times of disaster. I certainly hope that safety net is still there. ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/19 "2020-08-22T07:20:32Z")
There’s also Amateur TV which attracts its own devotees - I believe it uses the same Ham spectrum as the radio hounds, and similar to Websdr you can watch some of them via the internet. The British Amateur Television Club has a site that aggregates a bunch of them at [Streamer – British Amateur Television Club](https://batc.org.uk/live/) - mostly broadcasting test patterns but if you’re lucky on a weekend afternoon you might find a live feed, which will tend to be some old duffer in his cluttered basement talking about the improvements he’s made to his antenna or some new signal booster he’s trying out. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/20 "2020-08-22T20:22:15Z")
I had my dad’s Hallicrafter shortwave receiver restored. It was in bad shape. Needed all new capacitors and an alignment. I didn’t find any ham operators talking. I heard some Morse code. Several foreign radio stations. A few of the stations sounded official, probably government broadcasts. WWV (official time). A few mystery broadcasts of strange noises. Supposedly a hold over from the Cold War. I haven’t used the radio in several years. I think it was S53A. Looks like this one. [https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HALLICRAFTERS-MODEL-S-53A-SHORTWAVE-RECEIVER-GOOD-COMMERCIAL-SURPLUS-/353142005773](https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HALLICRAFTERS-MODEL-S-53A-SHORTWAVE-RECEIVER-GOOD-COMMERCIAL-SURPLUS-/353142005773) ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shortwave-radio-is-it-still-a-thing-is-there-anything-worth-listening-to-on-it-or-is-everything-online/918501/21 "2020-08-22T20:29:13Z")
> [@WildaBeast](#): > > And I’m pretty sure I came across some of those mysterious [numbers stations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station) once or twice If you’re gonna cite, cite the master. > **[Who operates those weird “numbers stations” on shortwave radio?](https://www.straightdope.com/21341980/who-operates-those-weird-numbers-stations-on-shortwave-radio)**