# Should America re-install Hussein as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2004, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686 "2004-09-16T14:03:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/41 "2004-09-16T22:50:55Z")
grienspace writes: > [@](#): > > Nothing I posted should suggest that I think they should be grateful, however since they clearly aren’t, I think we should do our best to own up and restore the country to the past. > [@](#): > > **From the OP** : They blame the Americans and not the insurgents for the loss of life. There appears to be not one ounce of gratitude for the suffering that their “liberation” has wrought on countless American families Emphasis mine. Clearly from the OP you think they _should_ be grateful, and have implied it by your consistent assertion(s) that the Iraqi’s are NOT grateful _anyway_. ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/42 "2004-09-16T22:52:25Z")
OK, something crazy’s going on in this thread. My post should be last. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/43 "2004-09-16T22:56:35Z")
wow . I just posted the post up there (#34) and before I’d posted it, I’d seen, for example, **grieny’s** post to **minty** about not accepting an appointment to a judgeship. I’ve traveled in time! (by the way, I think\*\* Minty\*\* would make a terrific judge.) ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/44 "2004-09-16T23:13:54Z")
Does this happen often on the Straight Dope? ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/45 "2004-09-16T23:17:28Z")
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**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/46 "2004-09-16T23:19:05Z")
> [@MikeCollins](#): > > Does this happen often on the Straight Dope? No. It is the first time as far as I am aware. I’m guessing it is a consequence of moving the SDMB server to a new hosting provider. There is a front-end and a back-end to the SDMB and the front-end has been transferred already and the back-end is being prepped to be transferred. I’m guessing the two are out of sync and the front end went right up the back end. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/47 "2004-09-16T23:19:06Z")
> [@MikeCollins](#): > > Does this happen often on the Straight Dope? Members shooting their mouths off, or the post count thing? 😉 If the latter, then no. Never. But if you pay close attention to the sticky at the top of the forum page explaining that there are server upgrades going on, then you’ll know why it happened. I presume a time difference in the server led to some of our posts being posted about 5 hours ahead of when they actually were and the newer posts are just catching up to them now. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/48 "2004-09-16T23:20:47Z")
> [@MikeCollins](#): > > Does this happen often on the Straight Dope? I don’t think it happens often, but if you are very with griensp careful you can post a ‘simupost’ with **grienspace** quoting his actual post. How cool (sad?) is that? ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/49 "2004-09-16T23:23:39Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > **Gawd** , may I suggest that you are full of shit ! You can, but in this work-a-day world we live in maybe he’ll intercept your idea before you ever think of it. ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/50 "2004-09-16T23:26:32Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > No. It is the first time as far as I am aware. I’m guessing it is a consequence of moving the SDMB server to a new hosting provider. There is a front-end and a back-end to the SDMB and the front-end has been transferred already and the back-end is being prepped to be transferred. I’m guessing the two are out of sync and the front end went right up the back end. That would explain my mother-in-law’s facial expressions. ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/51 "2004-09-16T23:29:04Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Members shooting their mouths off, or the post count thing? 😉 Well… members shooting their mouths off before… _shooting their mouths off_. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/52 "2004-09-16T23:30:15Z")
> [@MikeCollins](#): > > Clearly from the OP you think they _should_ be grateful, and have implied it by your consistent assertion(s) that the Iraqi’s are NOT grateful _anyway_. Listen you little twerp, I’m not moralizing here. I’m fucking stating the obvious. They ARE NOT FUCKING GRATEFUL ! DO YOU DISPUTE THAT ! YOU NEED TO GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD! ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT , YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A PROGRAM TO GET AMERICA OUT OF THIS MESS. ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/53 "2004-09-16T23:32:36Z")
HA HA I got on page 2… no waitaminute - I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/54 "2004-09-16T23:39:28Z")
> [@wring](#): > > My solution? have the idiots who thought up this fucking mess, ignored all of the signs, failed to plan adequately for a reasonable end result, and continue to this fucking day to blow sunshine up our preverbial asses () admit that they were woefully and horrifically wrong, and ante up for their mistakes. Acknowledge that they’ll have to reinstate the draft to bring our fighting force back up to safe numbers, which would cost them political capital. pay (financially) for the costs of the war by acknowledging that they underestimated woefully the costs of this and will need to cut (their pet) programs, tax cuts etc. Acknowledge that the policy of pre-emptive strike was morally wrong. Ah, Solution #2. Unfortunately I don’t quite think that will be very popular around here, because for a start that will require four more years of Bush. You weren’t serious were you? However if you forgo the hook on those " idiots who thought up this fucking mess" that still leaves you with the proposal to escalate this war . Rather LBJ don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/55 "2004-09-16T23:39:55Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Finally, someone has presented an alternative solution! > > The UN you say? Okay, assume America pours 200 billion dollars (like Kerry claims the US has already spent there) into the UN, do you think that the UN can do a better job than Hussein to bring stability and peace to the country. Who or what kind of government would be left behind? (I’m ignoring the UN record of course for security like in central Africa). Actually, the UN I don’t say. I wrote _probably_ because it was the only entity that sprang to mind at the moment. There may not exist, today, an appropriate entity for the task. If this is the case it will fall the the US, as the agressors in this situation, to finance the creation of one. It will also fall to the United States to recuse herself from any leadership role in the entity. Thanks to George Bush the Lesses, the United States has no moral authority to take any directive role in the rebuilding of Iraq. She _does_ have a moral responsibility to make reparations for the destruction we have wrought. A bitter pill indeed. ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/56 "2004-09-16T23:42:12Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Listen you little twerp, I’m not moralizing here. I’m fucking stating the obvious. They ARE NOT FUCKING GRATEFUL ! DO YOU DISPUTE THAT ! YOU NEED TO GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD! ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT , YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A PROGRAM TO GET AMERICA OUT OF THIS MESS. Look you cretinous fucktard… I’m NOT disputing whether or not the Iraqi’s are grateful, I was responding to an assertion you had made in an earlier post, namely “Nothing I posted should suggest that I think they should be grateful…” Which was (I believe) incorrect. Next time read the criticism before you produce your own pointless diatribe. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/57 "2004-09-16T23:43:22Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > **Giraffe** Bravo, bravo… May I second that bravo? All in favor… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/58 "2004-09-16T23:46:38Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > If this is the case it will fall the the US, as the agressors in this situation, to finance the creation of one. It will also fall to the United States to recuse herself from any leadership role in the entity. I snipped the obligatory Bush bashing. Sorry. Didn’t the US already finance the creation of an entity to take over Iraq? doesn’t seem to work though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/59 "2004-09-16T23:52:59Z")
> [@MikeCollins](#): > > I was responding to an assertion you had made in an earlier post, namely > “Nothing I posted should suggest that I think they should be grateful…” > Which was (I believe) incorrect. Next time read the criticism before you produce your own pointless diatribe. Look you little piss ant, I’m FUCKING TELLING YOU WHAT MY POSITION IS ! FUCK YOU IF YOU CAN’T ACCEPT THAT. I’m not going to have some asshole tell me what I’m thinking. ---
**Author:** ![MikeCollins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@MikeCollins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeCollins)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686/60 "2004-09-16T23:58:52Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Look you little piss ant, I’m FUCKING TELLING YOU WHAT MY POSITION IS ! > FUCK YOU IF YOU CAN’T ACCEPT THAT. I’m not going to have some asshole tell me what I’m thinking. Oh I can accept that you moronic little troglodyte. Maybe if you took communication lessons to express your ideas without self-contradiction it would help you a great deal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-america-re-install-hussein-as-president/264686.md?page=4)