I don’t understand your logic at all. So, we’re agreeing to less pay and going to war. Somehow, someone is going to say wow give these ladies their rights. No, they’re not. They’re going to laugh at how stupid we are and see what other shit they can pull on us.
I’m done with this thread. It’s good to see how sexist the Dope is. I hope the men who voted women be required get shot in the face.
Gee, I dunno, maybe some or all of those men think of women as equals and advocate equal treatment? Most of the women who answered the poll want women to be drafted too, so why do you keep pointing fingers at men?
Or maybe when you leave you should take a minute to re-examine why your viewpoint is so out of step with not just men, but most of the women who voted in this poll.
And what do you hope for the women?
I read somewhere that if the draft we reinstated today (using the Selective Service System’s reference plan & current enlistment standards) less than 25% of potential 18-25 year old men would even be eligable for military service (& there’s no way to really tell how many would seek deferments, CO status, or just dodge). Of course enlistment standards would likely be drasticly lowered before a draft was considered.
Back to OP; I think draft registraton is a waste of money & a relic of the Cold War (even then didn’t have a point; no war with the USSR would’ve lasted long enough for the draft to be reinstated). That being said of course women should have to register if men do (& of course they should be concripted if men are).
YaraMateo is one to talk about having one’s cake and eating it too. Unless of course she’s willing to give up her franchise in exchange for exemption from conscription. First off women already get equal pay for equal work; they just do less actual work because of all the time they take off to have & raise kids. While that isn’t fair try being a man and doing the same thing (minus the actual pregnancy part of course). And let’s not forget that all the dirtiest and most dangerous jobs are overwhelmingly done by men. How many women are lining up to work construction, on oil rigs, or down in the mines doing grunt work? How come feminists aren’t up in arms over men making of the vast majority of workplace fatalities? Don’t even get me started on the fact that our entire family court systems views fathers as little more that cash cows (cash bulls). Or how much more likely men are to wind up homeless that women. And when women to end up homeless they garner much more sympathy than men & have more support options.
P.S. BTW it looks to me that the reason why the “biggest vote” is Male: pro registration is because slightly more men than women have voted. Both sexes are leaning very heavily in favor of registering women.
This is totally out of line, and wishing harm on other posters isn’t allowed. I’m giving you a warning not to do this again.
I’m NOT out of line. I don’t feel sorry at all. Ban me. :mad:
American Civil War, World War I, World War II for the US alone seems to disagree.
Another (female) vote for “If we require men to register, we should require women”
One more female who believes that if it’s required of men, it should be required of women.
Okay, we get that you’re disgusted by us men who don’t think women should be exempt from the draft (registration). What do you have to see to/about all the women who voted in favor of registering females? Do you think they should get shot in the face as well? If not then why not?
I find the idea of anyone dieing in war disturbing, especially when they’re being forced to fight against their will. The thought of a women dieing is no more or less distrubing than a man dying. Why do you want to see men in war? Does the idea of men dieing in war get you off? You’ve already admited a desire to see men violently wounded (& possibly killed).
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Female. If there MUST be a draft, then everyone should be subject to it. Even those who can’t qualify for combat usually have SOME skills that the military can use. No exemptions for going to college, or being connected, or being overage. If you’re capable of normal functioning, there’s a job for you. The only exemption is previous service.
However, if women are subject to the draft, then they should be able to get abortions from the military medical facilities. Right now, they can’t, even if they pay for the abortions.
I would vastly prefer that we don’t have a draft or even registration at all.
By the way, service members do NOT get paid more for having a family. The thing is, if they’re single, they stay in the barracks and eat at the mess hall, and they don’t incur normal living expenses if they take advantage of these benefits. If they want to live off base, and eat meals elsewhere, they pay for that out of their pockets. If they’re married, then they get the cash equivalent of their housing (if they don’t live in base housing) and mess hall benefits. That’s not getting paid more. That’s getting paid in cash rather than in benefits.
One female who believes, conversely, that if it isn’t required for women, it oughtn’t be required for men either. Why don’t we take it in that direction?
Good point. This is a concrete example of the inequality that YaraMateo rages against, which if not addressed and corrected will call into question why would we be doing this.
I vote for this.
Rep. Charles Rangel has argued that since lower-income Americans and Americans of color are disproportionately sent to fight and suffer in wars, it’s only fair to draft the affluent white guys too. Similar line of argument.
Actually, they do get paid more, although it’s only an occasional benefit. Married service members get Family Separation allowance when they deploy, which a single person does not get.
As for the question in the OP, I think that registering for the draft ought to be universal.
The reason you draft people is because national defense is a public good (which is why the gov’t should get involved) and that in times of extensive deployment or high casualties, you might not have sufficient labor.
I would think people who are in favor of a given military action are in favor of it for its utility rather than ensuring that casualties quotas (n% of whites, n% of blacks, n% of heterosexuals, n% of gays, n% of Christians, n% of Jews, n% of atheists etc) are filled.
right now there is no draft so this is kind of a moot question, but if there were: YES women have been fighting in Isreal for decades. most any woman in any country is as fierce as many men could only hope to be
‘I’m a female. I believe that women should be required to register for the draft,’ if there is one in place.
And I think that this is a good point:
It is much easier to send other people’s sons and daughters off to fight than your own.
On that note, my own proposal:
If a draft is ever put in place, every politician that voted in favour of it gets executed. If the war effort is so essential that people should be forced to lay down their lives in its service, I’m sure they’ll agree that it’s worth laying down their own lives to make it happen.
Ah, okay. So if things are proportional re: strength, it’s OK? I mean, honestly, in combat, females aren’t really at a serious disadvantage, provided they are in good shape.
But…given our hormones and changing bodies, we usually are. Naturally.
I agree. And I’m sure I sound all backwards and whatnot, but I have a feeling that if women were conscripted, you’d see a huge fight about every single mother having to fight. Or exceptions for the large per cent of overweight women, or the fact that women are traditionally less athletic and a little thicker after childbirth. Then it would be unfair to conscript women.
If we had a mandatory service, I’d be OK with men & women serving…provided women weren’t discriminated against. I personally think that a little service to your country is a damned good thing and should be promoted more - if not outright required.
but Since we don’t NEED to do it, it’s not cost effective. Therefore, the only time this could come up would be conscription : and I really doubt we’ll ever have such a shortage that the DoD would push for it. It took them DECADES to not panic over gays…and women have only been flying in the USAF since the 90s. We have awhile to go.