# Should atheists take the Shroud of Turin seriously? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2014, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-atheists-take-the-shroud-of-turin-seriously/683680 "2014-03-14T10:11:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Isilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/cc9497/32.png) [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-atheists-take-the-shroud-of-turin-seriously/683680/81 "2014-03-20T22:44:47Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > What you’re seeing is simply that the shroud is a very rare situation where believers are willing to make an actual, testable claim - that this physical object is the manifestation of a supernatural miracle. Well no its not testable. The “process” changed the C14 , people who collected the material didn’t notice the invisible seam between old and new, the acid burn isn’t actually acid burn, its not really testable… ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-atheists-take-the-shroud-of-turin-seriously/683680/82 "2014-03-20T23:39:54Z")
> [@Isilder](#): > > Well no its not testable. > > The “process” changed the C14 , people who collected the material didn’t notice the invisible seam between old and new, the acid burn isn’t actually acid burn, > its not really testable… There’s a difference between “not testable” and “we are capable of making up lies that let us pretend we have a reason to ignore the results of the test”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-atheists-take-the-shroud-of-turin-seriously/683680.md?page=4)