My sides are oddly not splitting.
Yeah, sure. :rolleyes: You posted a “joke” that just happens to be something claimed by the believers in dead seriousness all the time.
This may be true of Mexico (including the territory it lost in the Mexican War), but is not close to being true for the rest of North America.
And you just proved his point. :rolleyes:
Nonsense. I just pointed out that attempts to equate atheism and communism are a standard way of smearing atheism.
You constantly hear people (not just conservatives) complaining about Muslim driven attacks because of the current phenomenon of worldwide attacks in the name of Islam. It’s not a couple of random events committed by a Muslim over the course of a year. It is a phenomenon consisting of many many events in the course of a year and they are committed specifically in the name of Islam.
Of course there Muslims with no connection with terrorism. The majority do not. That doesn’t belay the reality of a small percentage of Muslims making the front page (any percentage of a billion is a lot of people). We just stopped another Ft Hood shooter. It’s a big problem.
Committing a crime as a Muslim is different than specifically committing a crime in the name of Islam. The same applies to Christians or any other demographic group.
If Breivik did this in the name of Christianity and is part of a group that commits similar crimes on the same scale then we will absolutely be screaming bloody murder about radical Christians. Currently we are bitching about Fred Phelp’s crusade against the gay community.
I don’t think you’ve really addressed** I_K_N’s **point there. It was not about people complaining about attacks; it was about people complaining about the lack of Muslims routinely publically condemning them.
No matter how twisted Breivik is, he didn’t invoke the name of a deity or a religious concept during his killing spree.
The debate on this board was always about the role of the religion and it’s influence in the attacks.
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indicated that he was doing with religious motives.
Smearing atheism? Poor atheism, it’s not going to sleep well tonight. Can you smear a bunch of chemicals residing in some people’s brains, because ideas are nothing more than that. Soon, the Krebbs cycle will bring libel charges against me, sure.
I don’t think anyone is equating them, simply pointing out that communism is an atheistic idea, held by atheists, and used against theists for being thesits.
Of course atheism doesn’t make anyone do anything so talking about morality with a concept as devoid of morality as Thai food is stupid. It is clear that nothing bad has ever or will ever happen in the name of ahteism even if the person doing the bad thing clearly states it (no-true-Scotsmanness), so what’s the point?
Your righteous indignation is so nice I feel guilty.
That’s true, but it’s still not what **I_K_N’s **point there was. Given that each of your points in response to your quotes of them were responses to those particular quotes, I don’t think it’s unreasonable of me to point out that that one wasn’t.
Disingenuity aside, can we assume you meant to say something negative about atheism and atheists? It’s my understanding that oftentimes a critical remark about any particular “ism” is by implication extended to those who adhere to that particular “ism”.
An an incidental note, I object to definitions that describe atheism as “a lack of belief in God”, on the basis of accuracy. The literal meaning of the term is simply “without theism”, which more reasonably applies to religions in general, not all of which incorporate a “God”.
Apology is not humiliation if it is genuine and contrite, on the contrary it is humble and opens new inroads and paradigms for both the wronged and the perpetrator. Some people might have received it with contempt, but I’m sure the gesture was genuine and might have acted as a powerful and mitigating message to the cultures warring in this era of the “New Crusade”. In these thousands of years old conflicts, occaasionally ground must be given in a diplomatic way for any progress to be made… I mean, I heard a Jewish Symphony just played a Wagner Concert in Germany. That’s some progress there and not at the pace of a millenial scale…
True.
It is not an “atheistic idea”. And of course people are equating them, like I said that’s the standard for believers; communism = atheism = atheists are all Stalinist mass murderers. It’s so standard it’s positively a cliche.
It is, sorry dude, it is.
A cliche? Really? I mean, outside from the voices in your head. At most the phrase is “when atheists got real power they started killing like crazy”.
How many do you mean by “people”? 1? 2? 1%? 5%? 20%? 50%? 98%? 100%?
How difficult has it got to be for you to get out of your house knowing you’e surrounded by hordes ready to kill you at a moment’s notice.
Communism is an economic model. It has nothing to do with god. Is capitalism inherently theistic? atheistic?
Most communist countries were totalitarian states. They hated religion because they thought it was a threat. I’m an atheist(for all practical purposes) and I find Stalin and Mao just as despicable as any theist. Most atheists do.
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No, it isn’t. Communism has nothing to do with religious belief. It’s an economic system. Most of us learned that in junior high.
Communism was a rather broad philosophy, starting with scientific socialism, which left out unproven beliefs such as Christianity. Socialism itself may or may not have a religious component.