# Should Christians Be Forced to Photograph Gay Weddings? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 11, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847 "2012-06-11T19:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![NotreDame05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90ced4/32.png) [@NotreDame05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotreDame05)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/261 "2012-06-12T16:59:10Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Funny thing is no one has really answered my original question. Should a Christian be forced to do something against their beliefs? The main responses are absolutely because the courts say so. That’s not an answer. Courts can be wrong and pass unjust laws. It’s the right of the people to protest the laws too. > > I suspect if it was any non-religious organizations in the same situation, this debate would definitely not be completely one sided. Well, the difficulty I have with your reasoning is I find the implications of your argument impalatable. Without being inconsistent, hypocritical, or duplicitous, how do we preclude discrimination because of a sincere religious belief non-whites are inferior? Or discrimination against those on the basis of religious beliefs, such as atheists or people of a different faith, because both are infidels? I understand the religious freedom argument you are espousing and I am sympathetic to it but I believe fairness and consistency would require such a freedom to extend to permit or allow other forms of reprehensible behavior, reprehensible discrimination. In my opinion, the abuses of this freedom outweigh the positives of this freedom in this one specified area thereby permitting a fair blanket prohibition. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/262 "2012-06-12T17:01:17Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > So, I’m the only one who thinks that the government needs to identify all Christians, regardless of profession, and force them to take photographs at gay weddings and and film the gay wedding nights? While naked? And performing an abortion? See GEEPERS, Hate begets Hate. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/263 "2012-06-12T17:02:57Z")
It might beget sarcasm and humor too. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/264 "2012-06-12T17:12:02Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > It might beget sarcasm and humor too. I understood your sarcasm. There was no sarchasm ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/265 "2012-06-12T17:17:41Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > I understood your sarcasm. There was no sarchasm You keep trying to coin that word, but it just isn’t getting any circulation. You might want to send it back to the vault. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/266 "2012-06-12T17:19:20Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > I understood your sarcasm. There was no sarchasm Sorry, I cannot parse this. Are you saying you understood the sarcasm of my post, but contradictorily, you feel it had no sarcasm? And that I was serious? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/267 "2012-06-12T17:20:40Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Sorry, I cannot parse this. Are you saying you understood the sarcasm of my post, but contradictorily, you feel it had no sarcasm? And that I was serious? He’s trying to invent a new word. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/268 "2012-06-12T17:21:37Z")
[Sarchasm](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarchasm) ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/269 "2012-06-12T17:21:51Z")
As a christian with several gay friends, many of whom are also christian, I have to say the OP’s lack of understanding of the true meaning of christianity is eye-rolling at the lowest level and offensive at other levels. But GEEPERS is not unique. There are many “christians” that share his beliefs, and as a result find comfort in each others fears. The futile efforts to logically sway the opinions of such people do little more than feed their own feelings of superiority. DFTT. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/270 "2012-06-12T17:23:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > [Sarchasm](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarchasm) Ah, I just thought it was typo. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/271 "2012-06-12T17:23:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He’s trying to invent a new word. Ironic considering your screen name. Check the urban dictionary link ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/272 "2012-06-12T17:25:07Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > The futile efforts to logically sway the opinions of such people do little more than feed their own feelings of superiority. DFTT. This is borderline threadshitting, and you can’t call another poster a troll outside of the Pit. Don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/273 "2012-06-12T17:27:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You keep trying to coin that word, but it just isn’t getting any circulation. You might want to send it back to the vault. Or maybe throw it down into a Quarry. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/274 "2012-06-12T17:28:03Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > Thank you for judging him. I hope God is kinder on his judgment of you You said he was gay. The Bible is quite clear that the act is unnatural and sinful. > [@dngnb8](#): > > Are you ready to be judged? Youre sure jumping to a lot of conclusions here. Just because I dont proselytize him, doesnt mean I havent fellowshiped. Matthew 7:3-5 clearly gives permission to judge others as long as you have self-examined and corrected your own behavior first. You don’t know me, and therefore, do not know if I have removed the log from my eye or not. That’s assuming. > [@dngnb8](#): > > I have discussed my beliefs. I also try and set examples of what being a Christian is. You see sir, while you have already judged him and sentenced him to Hell, he is still alive and still can be saved. This is why we are not to sit in judgment of others. Their souls are in Gods hands. Our job is to make available Gods Grace through fellowship. Didn’t you maintain a pro-gay stance in earlier posts? If you are saying that this act is perfectly natural and approved by God then you are certainly misleading your friend. The Bible that you like to quote says otherwise. > [@dngnb8](#): > > Your type of reaction in this case is the type of reaction that keeps him from finding Gods Grace. He has shared this with me. > > Judge not lest ye be judged with the same veracity > You keep ignoring scriptures that are telling you what youre doing… If I can see this, I bet God can. Ironic thing is your post sits in arrogant judgement of me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/275 "2012-06-12T17:30:10Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You said he was gay. The Bible is quite clear that the act is unnatural and sinful. Common sense makes it quite clear that it’s an inherent trait. Don’t you think you should reject interpretations of the Bible that contradict things you know are true? ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/276 "2012-06-12T17:30:12Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Matthew 7:3-5 clearly gives permission to judge others as long as you have self-examined and corrected your own behavior first. You don’t know me, and therefore, do not know if I have removed the log from my eye or not. Are you saying that you have corrected your own homosexual behavior? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/277 "2012-06-12T17:30:35Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/278 "2012-06-12T17:30:55Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > You said he was gay. The Bible is quite clear that the act is unnatural and sinful. It’s not nearly as clear as you say it is. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this (as it turns out you were with regard to the views of many other Christians on gays) or if you really don’t know much about the scholarship on this point, but on this point - same as the race issue and many others - not everybody agrees about what the Bible says or what it means for a believer, and readings have changed over time. > [@](#): > > Matthew 7:3-5 clearly gives permission to judge others as long as you have self-examined and corrected your own behavior first. Phew. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/279 "2012-06-12T17:35:52Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Are you saying that you have corrected your own homosexual behavior? All I’m saying is if you have a log in your eye, you’re doing it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847/280 "2012-06-12T17:36:26Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Are you saying that you have corrected your own homosexual behavior? Doesn’t Matthew say something about “nut in your eye”? Or am I confusing that with something else? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-christians-be-forced-to-photograph-gay-weddings/624847.md?page=15)