# Should Democratic Senators play nice with Republicans and support the continuing resolution? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 12, 2025, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454 "2025-03-12T06:51:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/241 "2025-03-19T19:54:13Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@DocCathode](#): > > > > Why assume he is playing 4D chess and not just making a mistake? > > Because it wasn’t only him- it was discussed and debated among Dem leadership. And, presumably, among the rest of the Democratic senators; most of whom seem to feel that it was a bad idea. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Do you think letting the government shut down due to a filibuster is a Good Idea? No. Sometimes there are no good choices, and you have to pick a bad one. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/242 "2025-03-19T20:17:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Because it wasn’t only him- it was discussed and debated among Dem leadership. Unless we hold the Democractic leadership to be infallible, that doesn’t prove anything. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Do you think letting the government shut down due to a filibuster is a Good Idea? How is that relevant exactly? I haven’t made up my mind one way or the other entirely. I am not a senator. So I have that luxury. I am genuinely curious as to why you praise Schumer so highly. Arguing that he made the best decision possible in a no win situation is one thing. Arguing that he made a good decision is another. Saying he is playing “political 4D chess” is quite another. I have little faith in the Democratic leadership at this point. I certainly don’t have enouggh trust in them to believe that it is part of some elaborate long term plan when they do something that may be a huge mistake. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/243 "2025-03-19T21:27:51Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > No. Sometimes there are no good choices, and you have to pick a bad one. True. But in this case, the Democrats really get to pick two. For FY2025, they have picked the option where they get to sue Trump for having violated the Impoundment Control Act. Then starting in October, Senate Democrats have the option of forcing a shutdown, in which case they get to sue Trump for violating the Antideficiency Act, since he is sure to have favorite agencies that he illegally keeps open during a shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/244 "2025-03-19T21:32:35Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Then starting in October, Senate Democrats have the option of forcing a shutdown, in which case they get to sue Trump for violating the Antideficiency Act, since he is sure to have favorite agencies that he illegally keeps open during a shutdown. …which they could have done last week, except that now nobody believes that Schumer won’t just cave again so Republicans are going to treat it as an empty threat. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/245 "2025-03-19T22:11:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > …which they could have done last week, except that now nobody believes that Schumer won’t just cave again so Republicans are going to treat it as an empty threat. I do not understand. What kind of threat? Perhaps some think Trump truthfully doesn’t want a shutdown, so a credible threat there, or the fact of an ongoing shutdown, would move him. I think a shutdown is in his legal interest, but he probably does not care, since he intends to act as a dictator regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/246 "2025-03-19T22:27:23Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I do not understand. What kind of threat? The threat of a shutdown. Nobody believes Schumer is going to find a spine between now and September, and the takeaway Republicans have from the events of last week is “we can put anything we want in a CR and Schumer will let us have it”. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/247 "2025-03-19T23:31:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > I do not understand. What kind of threat? > > The threat of a shutdown. That’s no threat. I just found a thorough substack amplifying what I’ve been saying here on my own. I’d forgotten that even Trump 45 kept national parks open during a shutdown – and got away with it. And I hadn’t known that after the 90th shutdown day, they can permanently fire staff — although Musk knows. See: [How a Shutdown Could Empower Trump](https://www.wakeuptopolitics.com/p/how-a-shutdown-could-empower-trump) > [@](#): > > The first thing to know about shutdown law is there isn’t very much of it. . . . in shutdowns past, the executive branch has been allowed to fill in the blanks as it sees fit . . . > > Trump [45] responded: “Look, this shutdown has been going on for quite a while. Why didn’t you do this sooner?” > > “If you need to do something that makes sense, you should just do it,” Trump told Bernhardt. > > And that was when Trump was surrounded by _more_ guardrails. . . . > > “I think he views his powers as limitless in a shutdown situation,” Tiefer said. My link shows that it’s not just Trump and Musk – there have been Project 2025-type shutdown plans [for years.](https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/irregular-order-part-ii/) I had been wondering if my claim here, that no one would have standing to sue the administration, for shutdown overreach,was maybe too creative. But this article shows legal experts agreeing. Shutdown takes off the last guardrails. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/248 "2025-03-19T23:33:10Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > That’s no threat. And yet you said > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Then starting in October, Senate Democrats have the option of forcing a shutdown, in which case they get to sue Trump for violating the Antideficiency Act, since he is sure to have favorite agencies that he illegally keeps open during a shutdown. So which is it? Can they threaten a shutdown or can’t they? > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Shutdown takes off the last guardrails. If Trump wanted a shutdown he could have caused one easily by telling Republicans to vote no. Why did he press Republicans so hard to pass a CR if a shutdown would give him everything he wants with no downside as Schumer claims? Because he and Republicans know they’ll be the ones who take the heat for it. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/249 "2025-03-20T00:09:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Can they threaten a shutdown or can’t they? Yes they can. Eight or so Democratic senators are enough to hand Trump a shutdown on October 1. Does that address your question? > [@Smapti](#): > > Why did he press Republicans so hard to pass a CR if a shutdown would give him everything he wants with no downside as Schumer claims? There were two Trump 45 shutdowns, so DJT expects it is coming. No one can be sure that a [Project 2025-style shutdown](https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/irregular-order-part-ii/) would be popular, so MAGA set up the possibility of blaming Democrats by saying he really wanted a CR. Did you see this in the substack? > [@](#): > > “I think he views his powers as limitless in a shutdown situation,” [Charles] Tiefer [, a University of Baltimore law professor and former congressional lawyer], said. “And so, yes, he would move money around, so that he could increase [immigration] holding facilities. He’s already said that there’s an emergency, so this would just be one more use of the emergency status. And who is there to stop him if he turns to Russell Vought and says, ‘Would you move money from the Department of Education to ICE?’ Vought’s not going to say no. And Pam Bondi is not going to say no.” Read the substack to see the shutdown significance of Trump now having a more compliant Attorney General. > [@Smapti](#): > > Because he and Republicans know they’ll be the ones who take the heat for it. Yes, if there is heat. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/250 "2025-03-20T00:18:31Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > “I think he views his powers as limitless in a shutdown situation,” What Trump thinks is rarely in alignment with the actual facts. The idea that a shutdown would increase his power is laughable. Moreover, refusing to use the filibuster just signals to Congressional Republicans that they can do whatever they want. What is Schumer gonna do when the next CR has a national abortion ban attached to it? > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Yes, if there is heat. We’re already at the “torching cars in the middle of the street” phase of civil unrest. There will be heat and it will hurt Trump a lot more than it helps him. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/251 "2025-03-20T01:34:10Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I agree with Philly that court pushback is non-negligible: outright rejection of court orders has been limited to the immigration sphere. So far. The fact that Trump has openly rejected any court “orders” means they have stopped functioning as orders at all, and he can just pick and choose what he complies with up until there actually are consequences. Apparently Schumer is betting on consequences eventually coming from the courts? > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Trump didn’t want a shutdown, because it would make him look bad and he doesn’t like looking bad. But if a shutdown occurred, he would respond vindictively. Because that’s what he does. “You hurt me? I hurt you.” Pretty simple really. So yeah, there would be accelerated firings of people he didn’t like, and slow or nonexistent rehirings of them when the shutdown ended. Then the courts weigh in. Besides the fact that this is the mindset of a battered housewife, I don’t even really think it’s true. Trump started all the court order defiance by slow-walking one or two court orders and waiting to see what happened. After SCOTUS stepped in and introduced a further delay on one of the USAID court orders, DOGE started moving faster and attacking more agencies simultaneously. And after any consequences for noncompliance with those orders has still not materialized and he’s got his budget passed, administration officials that had nothing to do with DOGE have openly declaring their defiance to court orders. It sure seems from a distance like Trump has become more brazen as he has gotten more green lights. Now I don’t think a shutdown would singlehandedly stop all of Trump’s authoritarianism, and of course there’s always the most extreme option where he simply orders the treasury to ignore the shutdown and manage the budget directly without any say so from congress, court intervention be damned. Barring that extreme, Trump would need a lot of the government functions he wants to continue working without pay, and that isn’t going to go great forever. The deportation side of his agenda is a government expansion, not a contraction and he needs to fund it in order for it to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/252 "2025-03-20T01:35:50Z")
Today’s Economist poll, conducted from Sun-Tue, puts Schumer’s approval/disapproval rating at 22% approve, 55% disapprove. That makes him less popular than Trump, Vance, Mike Johnson, Netenyahu, and even Elon Musk. > **[econTabReport\_ngfganU.pdf](https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_ngfganU.pdf)** ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/253 "2025-03-20T01:42:50Z")
The sad part is I doubt he cares. I am willing to bet he is confident he will be re-elected no matter what. At worst, he does not get re-elected but has lots of rich friends who owe him one. He will have an excellent retirement. Schumer sure as shit does not care about you or me. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/254 "2025-03-20T01:51:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Schumer sure as shit does not care about you or me. Of course not. He literally has an imaginary constituency that he says he works for. > **[Imaginary Friends](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/19/imaginary-friends)** > > Chuck Schumer’s imaginary middle-class couple > [@](#): > > Schumer says that he is accompanied everywhere he goes by two imaginary middle-class friends, who advise him on all manner of middle-class concerns. Their names, until recently, were Joe and Eileen O’Reilly. “For the book’s sake, we wanted them to be more national,” Schumer said, “so they became the Baileys.” The Baileys live in Massapequa, in Nassau County, a town that is invariably known on Long Island as “Matzoh-Pizza.” The Baileys are both forty-five years old: Joe works for an insurance company, Eileen is a part-time employee at a doctor’s office. They worry about terrorism, and about values, and they are patriots—“Joe takes off his cap and sings along with the national anthem before the occasional Islanders game,” Schumer wrote. He elaborated, “They’re not ideologues. They’re worried about property taxes. It’s the tax they hate. And that’s what Democrats don’t get.” He has also drafted the Baileys in defending the C.I.A.’s human-intelligence program: “Had Joe and Eileen been in the room after the hum-int screwup, they would not have indulged in the blame game, gutted the human-intelligence program, or weakened America.” > > As swing voters, Schumer said, “the Baileys were very anti-Hillary when she ran in 2000, but they voted for her in 2006.” He went on, “They like Rudy. It depends on how he plays it. If Rudy continues to adhere to the right-wing Republican line, just cutting taxes for the wealthy, he won’t get their vote.” ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/255 "2025-03-20T02:16:33Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > . . . there’s always the most extreme option where he simply orders the treasury to ignore the shutdown and manage the budget directly without any say so from congress, court intervention be damned. I’ve documented that this is the plan. They did it in Trump 45, just not for the length of time now planned. As for court intervention, what is the legal theory here? The shutdown rules are mostly coming from an old Attorney General letter that Bondi would have every reason to change if that was even necessary. And it isn’t necessary, because if the Justice Department ignores shutdown rules, there is no one to enforce them. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Barring that extreme, Trump would need a lot of the government functions he wants to continue working without pay, and that isn’t going to go great forever. Here’s the [Claremont Institute plan for that](https://americanmind.org/features/a-swing-and-a-miss/irregular-order-part-ii/): > [@](#): > > - _Sustaining the shutdown financially_ means finding funds to continue essential activities, particularly salaries for associated employees, after their normal appropriations expire. Ahead of a likely shutdown, agency bureaucrats will rush to obligate expiring funds on the activities they “own.” In addition to scrutinizing proposed obligations to prevent this, agency heads should borrow this trick, looking for unspent funds across their agency’s accounts and obligating them for essential activities before they expire. Also, OMB and agency shutdown planning should include the use of funds that do not expire at the end of the fiscal year (e.g., multi-year and “no-year” appropriations, as well as reserves in “non-appropriated” accounts from fee collections), along with the necessary transfer authorities. Presidential emergency declarations might be required to access them. That’s weak. Trump would have to order everyone doing the government functions they want to continue to be paid, rather than relying on complex and uncertain maneuvers. But we do know they are thinking about this problem. And everything I know about the Project 2025 MAGA mentality tells me they would come up with more ideas. As for SCOTUS ruling that the Treasury should stop paying employees for work already done, I find this unlikely. Who has standing? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/256 "2025-03-20T03:29:19Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Unless we hold the Democractic leadership to be infallible, that doesn’t prove anything. Because it certainly wasnt just Schumer making a mistake. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > No. Sometimes there are no good choices, and you have to pick a bad one. True. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > And, presumably, among the rest of the Democratic senators; most of whom seem to feel that it was a bad idea. Name 20? But yeah some Dems were unhappy- > **[Democrats pile on criticism of Chuck Schumer, with some calling for him to...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/19/democrats-schumer-government-shutdown-leadership/82544265007/)** > > Chuck Schumer continues to face backlash from some members of his party after he voted in favor of a spending bill that averted a government shutdown. _One of his harshest attacks came from Rep. Glenn Ivey, D-Md., who called for Schumer to step down._ (who is not a Senator, note) _Jeffries and other top House Democrats urged Senate Democrats to oppose the spending bill._ ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/257 "2025-03-20T03:43:44Z")
Pretty sure your cite is talking about spending the money from previous budgets while you still have access to it. I mean yeah, it’s going to come down to if the treasury would just unilaterally raise and spend money at Trump’s will. One thing that would hopefully be a check on that is that would degrade America’s credit and Trump would have a tough time finding creditors. But either way if they’re going to do that they’re going to disregard everything and it’s basically a moot point. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/258 "2025-03-20T04:06:44Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > The fact that Trump has openly rejected any court “orders” means they have stopped functioning as orders at all, and he can just pick and choose what he complies with up until there actually are consequences. As a matter of logic, no. Trump is _testing_ the court system. He’s lost a lot of cases, but outright rejection of court orders only began last weekend. I started a thread which tracks this issue. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Now I don’t think a shutdown would singlehandedly stop all of Trump’s authoritarianism No, it would accelerate it. DOGE’s illegalities would now be legal and worse once the shutdown ends, he could slow walk the rehirings. Again, I think Schumer could have done more (debatable) and I don’t see the kind of aggressive response than McConnell delivered to Obama (undeniable I think). But the risks denying cloture were very real. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/259 "2025-03-20T04:28:41Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > As a matter of logic, no. Trump is _testing_ the court system. He’s lost a lot of cases, but outright rejection of court orders only began last weekend. I started a thread which tracks this issue. He started not following court orders weeks ago with the USAID rulings. The thing that’s new with the deportation rulings is that officials are coming out and saying they’re rejecting them instead of the neverending slow-walk that never results in compliance. I would love for a judge to prove me wrong and jail a Trump official for contempt but I’m not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454/260 "2025-03-20T14:07:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > And, presumably, among the rest of the Democratic senators; most of whom seem to feel that it was a bad idea. > > Name 20? Considerably more than 20 of them voted against it. I have no way of knowing who was shouting what behind closed doors. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democratic-senators-play-nice-with-republicans-and-support-the-continuing-resolution/1015454.md?page=14)