# Should democrats rethink "defund police" and push for law and order? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677 "2020-09-15T12:04:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/102 "2020-09-15T21:12:56Z")
Also when it comes to holding protestors responsible for their actions, it isn’t the other liberal protestors or liberal organizations that decide what is to be done with them. If whenever a protester was accused of misbehavior, they would be brought before a BLM tribunal which would invariably determine that their actions are justified, resulting in no punishment. Then I would agree that in that case BLM does need to accept responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/103 "2020-09-15T21:13:46Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > BTW, the officers ambushed were in a democrat controlled city, county, and state. Pelosi is their senator. I’m sure this means… something. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/104 "2020-09-15T21:26:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I don’t know that nobody got hurt. There are people on that twitter feed that got real upset with McDonalds. You don’t think that that increased tensions? You don’t think that other cops even saw that, and thought that it might be true? You don’t think that fast food workers saw that, and no think that every cop coming through is going to think that they are trying to poison them? No. I have no reason to think any of those things happened. You know why? Because it’s YouTube and people moved on right after they posted their dumb fucking comments. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > And you are also assuming that she is never in that frame of mind while interacting with the public. I think that that is an assumption that requires some evidence. What about the presumption of innocence? > [@k9bfriender](#): > > And it really is you who is making a big deal out of this, I’ve become recently interested in understand why my fellow liberals have decided to take the express bus to crazy town on issues where they previously insisted on facts and evidence before drawing conclusions. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Are you saying that this is not an example of a cop indulging in a persecution complex? If not, why not? If so, then this entire digression has been a complete waste of time for all involved. Oh, FFS. How many more times do I have to say that this was irrational response to what was probably a stressful situation in her life? Which does not automatically mean she’s a danger to society. We have to stop freaking the fuck out. It’s bad for us (libs). It makes us look irrational. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/105 "2020-09-15T21:29:28Z")
How in God’s name do you go from " SL thinks we should condemn police officers who tolerate bad cops and cover for them" to “SL believes that it’s the fault of the police if someone breaks into his home”? Seriously, that doesn’t even make sense. Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/106 "2020-09-15T21:32:05Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > BTW, the officers ambushed were in a democrat controlled city, county, and state. Pelosi is their senator. Nancy Pelosi is not a senator. She’s the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and her district does not include any part of the city in which those officers were ambushed. Now you’re just, well, I don’t know what you’re doing. What are you doing? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/107 "2020-09-15T21:38:05Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > BTW, the officers ambushed were in a democrat controlled city, county, and state. Pelosi is their senator. Do you really not know that Nancy Pelosi isn’t a Senator? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/108 "2020-09-15T21:39:13Z")
He is saying that Democrats in general do not care about law and order, so it’s broken down so much in this area that the staunch, godly enforcers of law and order are being murdered with impunity, thanks to the stupid hippie ideals of Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/109 "2020-09-15T21:40:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > No. I have no reason to think any of those things happened. You know why? Because it’s YouTube and people moved on right after they posted their dumb fucking comments. That’s… not how social media works. People don’t just forget everything that they saw when they go to the next video. We learned this in 2016. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > What about the presumption of innocence? Okay. Lets have a quick trial. Did she accuse McDonald’s employees of trying to poison her? Prosecution: Here’s the video of her doing so, we rest. Defense:I have no idea, all the stuff that you seem to be saying as a distraction from the point that was made. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’ve become recently interested in understand why my fellow liberals have decided to take the express bus to crazy town on issues where they previously insisted on facts and evidence before drawing conclusions. By driving it? Seriously. It was stated that this was an example of cop persecution complex, and you took exception to that. All of this is based on your defense of her, your insistence that what she was doing was not acting as though she was being persecuted for being a cop. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Oh, FFS. How many more times do I have to say that this was irrational response to what was probably a stressful situation in her life? As many times as it takes for you to remind yourself that she also has a badge and a gun. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Which does not automatically mean she’s a danger to society. No, it’s the badge and the gun that do that. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > We have to stop freaking the fuck out. It’s bad for us (libs). It makes us look irrational. Sure get on that. You seem to be freaking out quite a bit here because she was said to be indulging in a persecution complex. One of which I note, once again, you refuse to even address. In fact, this is stupid, and I’d just delete this if I hadn’t spend time on it already. If you do not directly address the issue of it being an example of cop persecution complex, the only claim that was made when you chose to take exception to it, then I’m not going to respond anymore, because you have driven this bus well past crazy town and off the cliffs or absurdity. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/110 "2020-09-15T21:44:20Z")
Thanks for the translation! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/111 "2020-09-15T21:59:13Z")
“The National Registry of Exonerations spent more than six years examining the cases of 2,400 innocent people who were exonerated from 1989 to 2019, finding that 54 percent were sent to prison because of intentional or negligent mistakes by police, prosecutors and other law enforcement officials.” > **[Report: 'Alarming' rates of police and prosecutor misconduct](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/09/15/report-alarming-rates-of-police-and-prosecutor-misconduct?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)** > > The National Registry of Exonerations spent more than six years examining the cases of 2,400 innocent people who were exonerated from 1989 to 2019, finding that 54 percent were sent to prison because of intentional or negligent mistakes by police,... ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/112 "2020-09-15T22:55:55Z")
Maybe a new thread for the McDs cop? ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/113 "2020-09-15T23:02:57Z")
A new burger should suffice. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/114 "2020-09-16T00:45:46Z")
Has anyone pointed out that Trump wants to defund _entire cities,_ including their police? > **[Trump orders review to defund NYC, other ‘anarchist’ cities](https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/trump-orders-review-to-defund-nyc-other-anarchist-cities/)** > > Trump on Wednesday signed a five-page memo ordering all federal agencies to send reports in 14 days to the White House Office of Management and Budget that detail funds that can be redirected. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/115 "2020-09-16T01:34:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You have been told over and over and over again what “defund the police” is all about, why it exists, and how little it factors into Biden’s campaign. Is there any reason to believe that telling you all this again will make a difference But it could be that urban redneck _does_ understand what “defund the police” means but he doesn’t like it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/116 "2020-09-16T01:49:44Z")
I’d be interested in reviewing any evidence there is that shows that he understands what it means. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/117 "2020-09-16T02:12:20Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > My point was that it was probably 2 or 3 people. > > But it may have been 0 and was entirely fabricated. I guess maybe I gave the sheriff the benefit of the doubt that he was only exaggerating, not just lying outright. The LA county sheriff? IMO it’s far more likely he was lying. He’s a liar. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/118 "2020-09-16T03:23:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > How many more times do I have to say that this was irrational response to what was probably a stressful situation in her life? Which does not automatically mean she’s a danger to society. But her stressful situation is being a police officer. If she has irrational responses to being in stressful situations, that means she’s very likely to react irrationally on the job. And that means that she shouldn’t be on that job; at least, unless and until she’s been successfully treated for that problem. You can argue that she ought to get paid medical leave and paid-for treatment, instead of being fired. But to argue that somebody’s response to stress is to think irrationally that people are trying to kill them, and simultaneously argue that that same person ought to be doing a stressful job in which part of the job is deciding whether to shoot people, does not make a whole lot of sense. ---
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/119 "2020-09-16T16:09:51Z")
I agree their are bad officers and often entire departments that are bad. I remember once talking to a former mayor and she told me how she replaced her chief of police and the new one reformed the department. The thing is if the police need to make changes their are civil ways to get this done. Citizens need to work with their elected representatives.Again, these cities, counties, and states are run by democrats. Why cant the democrats prove that they can run police departments who 1. do their job and protect citizens and 2. protect the rights of the innocent? You dont just go around ambushing and shooting police then standing outside their hospital cheering and hoping they die! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/120 "2020-09-16T17:06:49Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > You dont just go around ambushing and shooting police then standing outside their hospital cheering and hoping they die! You’re right. We don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677/121 "2020-09-16T18:12:22Z")
“…standing outside their hospital cheering and hoping they die!” Didnt happen, fake news. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-democrats-rethink-defund-police-and-push-for-law-and-order/920677.md?page=7)