People are killing themselves with twinkies and frozen pizzas. do you really want your freedoms based on the concept of “for the greater good”? Using this as a basis for law there is nothing stopping the government from mandating the use of rubber donuts in the shower so you don’t break a hip from slipping. It would be no different than seat belts.
You have to look at each regulation independently. A blanket approach in either direction does not work.
Rubber donuts are not the same as seat belts. Seat belts are not the same as stop signs. You have to look at each regulation on its own merits.
Not necessarily. A funeral costs, what, $10K for a decent one? That much barely gets you in the hospital door if you’re not dead. A survivor who is hospital-bound for life, or even permanently disabled, costs the rest of us millions.
Your seatbelts save me money. Again, it isn’t about protecting you from your stupidity, it’s about protecting the rest of us from it.
Banning Everclear seems so extreme when there are other less drastic options available.
- Ban yards and you will eliminate all back yard pools.
- Ban holes in the ground and you will eliminate most buildings that can house pools.
- Ban water.
A person who doesn’t wear their seat belt costs ME money in increased tax burden and insurance. A person who kills themselves with frozen pizza doesn’t.
Besides, there’s a good argument that people who kill themselves with excessive food consumption die sooner, leading to fewer (not more) medical expenses to be spread among the insurance and tax paying public. Most medical care costs come in the last year of life.
It’s NOT for the “Greater Good ™”. It’s for MY good.
It’s not just the health care related costs. It’s also the cost for local government to deal with the mess. If you live, your insurance has to foot at least a portion of the bill and probably most of the insurance cost. With fatalities, there’s much more of a mess for emergency services, along with the almost inevitable need for autopsies and other investigation of the road accident. It ends up reflected in our tax costs.
It’s still overall cheaper to ME to have a live, if injured, person, than a dead person.
I was actually making this point. Everybody ELSE using seatbelts saves ME money. I guess that didn’t come across so clearly.
The same case isn’t true for everclear or helmets. So, I don’t see a need to mandate the use of helmets or ban everclear.
I don’t think it should be banned however your stomach is not a furnace either - unfortunately it’s a human nature to throw all sorts of odd/caustic/fiery stuff in there to see if they can damage it/survive it.
There’s no freaking way anyone (kid or adult) from Wisconsin was unclear about how potent any drink made with Everclear might be. No freaking way. Hell, that’s why they drink the damn stuff!
(Disclaimer: I grew up in western Wisconsin. And you have to mix Everclear with something; stuff on its own is nasty.)
This woman is made of stupid.
Careful. People are dumb enough to do just that! :rolleyes:
Well. Of course. Water kills thousands of people every year! Way more than Everclear.
Nah. I got to interview Alexakis one time and he seemed like a decent guy. We talked poltics and religion after the interview until his tour manager got pissed at us.
I hate to dig up a Zombie, but I forgot to post a follow up last spring.
The bill to ban Everclear in Wisconsin died quite quickly in committee.
And Luanne Wielichowski’s idiot son is still dead. Stubborn cuss, huh?
Dig him up and pour some Everclear into his rotting mouth. Maybe it’ll revive him!
I am stunned at how non-debatable this issue is particularly with you Elucidator? How could you not want to outlaw a substance that has such marginal utility (ginseng, really?) and it’s banning could save so many lives?
Oh wait, I get it, if you all enjoy and use a dangerous substance then it’s OK, if used responsibly. Funny, it seems like there some parallel conclusions that could be drawn.
I know I’m responding to a revived zombie, but I would say this is mostly correct, but it really is nasty to drink like a shot. It is, basically, like undiluted vodka and kind of takes your breath away when you shoot it and feels like fire all the way down. Let’s just say I’m no stranger to drink and hard alcohol, and Everclear (the 190 proof one or whatever the highest proof is) is incredibly harsh. Even the 151 is pretty rough going down.
That said, it is useful in making homemade bitters and things like that. My family is Polish, so they buy what’s called Spiritus, which is the Polish version of grain alcohol. 192 proof is not allowed to be sold in Chicago, just 151 proof, so you have to go to the suburbs to get the strong stuff. We use it pretty much only to make our own flavored liquors/cordials. They later get diluted down to about 40% abv, but the flavor extraction is different when you start with grain alcohol vs starting with vodka. The Italians around here do the same thing with lemons for limoncello (although some may use vodka–taste is a bit different.)
Anyhow, I like having access to grain alcohol for culinary reasons and for making my own bitters and flavored liqueurs. I really don’t think a ban would solve anything–you can get the same effect as Everclear by using twice as much vodka in your punch and reducing your mixer proportionally.
He obviously didn’t drink enough if he’s rotting.
Shouldn’t we outlaw vodka too? There are 75,000 alcohol related deaths every year in the USA alone!
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.USGnVVo6WnY
Didn’t the Aztecs have a drinking age of 70? There’s a silver lining to all this. It doesn’t appear Jeff had the chance to pass on his genes before he died. His herioc sacrifice may make future generations slightly less stupid. We should be celebrated young men like Jeff.
It’s been tried. You might have heard of it.
That was almost 100 years ago and we have learned so much since then!