# Should Hawaii look for Ann Soetoro's delivery records? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637 "2010-12-28T19:54:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/181 "2010-12-30T20:41:14Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > But that’s part of the conspiracy, don’t you see? Well, it does only have five cites. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/182 "2010-12-30T21:10:08Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Wow, you are totally confused, dude. It isn’t up to the brithers to come up with a logical theory of how all the current evidence still points toward fraud, it is up to the President to produce a video of his birth with a newspaper from the same day in the frame and Jesus himself to descend from heaven and declare Obama was born in the USA…until then his US birth is mere speculation. Jesus isn’t a US citizen, and I’ll bet he doesn’t have a passport. If Jesus was at Obama’s birth, it would just be more evidence of fraud. C’mon, what American hospitals use mangers? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/183 "2010-12-30T21:14:11Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Jesus isn’t a US citizen, and I’ll bet he doesn’t have a passport. If Jesus was at Obama’s birth, it would just be more evidence of fraud. C’mon, what American hospitals use mangers? And Kenya is closer to Bethlehem than Hawaii is. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/184 "2010-12-30T21:21:57Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Jesus isn’t a US citizen, and I’ll bet he doesn’t have a passport. If Jesus was at Obama’s birth, it would just be more evidence of fraud. C’mon, what American hospitals use mangers? Besides, he has a Mexican name! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/185 "2010-12-30T21:24:34Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Video rental records, library books checked out, Google searches, dating history, gambling debts, favorite lotto numbers, Netflix queue, Apple or microsoft, paper or plastic, dog or cat, XBOX live handle, facebook likes, gene sequence, allergies, turn-ons, turn-offs, opinion on Sammy Hagar with Van Halen, Steroids testing, enemies list… > > Of course, thats just a start… You left out “Boxers or briefs?” > [@Susanann](#): > > Sorry, wasnt “me”. > It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor **Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. The “it” they are making a big deal out of is not the un-get-overable problem, whatever it is, that Obama’s citizenship involves. They are disturbed about the prevalence, and persistence, of people like you who refuse to believe it was settled as soon as it was raised. \*They \*are, anyway; the rest of the reality-based community is just laughing ruefully. Now, how about you tell us what is not getting done in Washington because the President’s vaccination records and formaldehyde-preserved tonsils and such are not being rubbed in your face? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/186 "2010-12-30T21:52:52Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > his school and college records, the name of the hospital and the attending physician, long form birth certificate, parents marriage and divorce records, passport and visa records, social security records, selective service records, disbarrment records of Illinois, et al, > [@Susanann](#): > > his birth certificate, hospital records, school and college records, passports and visas, selective service records, social security records, marriage/divorce records, health records, etc. > [@Susanann](#): > > Originally Posted by Susanann > until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc I’m sorry, my google-fu seems to be weak today. Can you provide me with cites that detail the records you’re interested in that Bush, Clinton, Reagan, and McCain have released? I can’t seem to locate any of their birth certificates, much less their parents’ marriage and divorce records, passport and visa records, social security records, selective service records, disbarment records, hospital records, school and college records, marriage/divorce records, or health records. I mean, since you’re sure that Bush, Clinton, Reagan and McCain have provided all of those records to the public, surely you’d have links to those records, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/187 "2010-12-30T22:06:12Z")
So, when did Reagan release the medical records that showed he was suffering from Alzheimers while he was in the Oval Office? I don’t remember that part. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/188 "2010-12-30T22:08:45Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So, when did Reagan release the medical records that showed he was suffering from Alzheimers while he was in the Oval Office? > > I don’t remember that part. Neither did he. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/189 "2010-12-30T22:29:00Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So, when did Reagan release the medical records that showed he was suffering from Alzheimers while he was in the Oval Office? > > I don’t remember that part. Well, at the time, nobody pressed the point; his TV addresses were considered sufficient _prima facie_ documentation. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/190 "2010-12-31T00:20:50Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Isn’t one of the core requirements of the position that he be born in the US? If that were the case (it isn’t) then John McCain was ineligible to be President, as he was born in Panama. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/191 "2010-12-31T01:53:20Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Even if “a few” of his history records really did come up missing after instructing the schools and various government agencies to release everything, then everyone would accept it and move on to other issues. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! - snerk \* ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/192 "2010-12-31T01:58:15Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Even if “a few” of his history records really did come up missing after instructing the schools and various government agencies to release everything, then everyone would accept it and move on to other issues. You wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/193 "2010-12-31T04:20:28Z")
The official answers to date: > **[Hawaii State Department of Health](https://health.hawaii.gov/)** > > Promoting Lifelong Health & Wellness > **[Hawaii State Department of Health](https://health.hawaii.gov)** > > Promoting Lifelong Health & Wellness > **[Hawaii State Department of Health](https://health.hawaii.gov)** > > Promoting Lifelong Health & Wellness Until **Susanann** , Orly Taitz, and other Birthers release to the general public all their personal data, including social security number, bank account numbe4rs, etc., I think that the balance between “public right to know” and individual right to privacy which the State is exercising is precisely right. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/194 "2010-12-31T07:25:39Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > You can like it, or you can dislike it, you can try to ignore it, it does not matter, because until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc released to the public, then this issue, obama’s secret past, will always overshadow, will always prevent us from moving on. That is just the way it is. Except none of those men released all the records you’ve demanded Obama release. Not a single one of them. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/195 "2010-12-31T07:37:06Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Isn’t one of the core requirements of the position that he be born in the US? The Constitution states the President must be a “natural born citizen of the United States.” While the precise meaning of this is not stated, it’s generally accepted to mean that a person is American by virtue of the circumstances of their birth, e.g. they are American from the moment of birth. It’s possible to be American by birth without being born on American soil. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/196 "2010-12-31T07:39:23Z")
John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/197 "2010-12-31T08:08:30Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > 1. Is it true that B.O.'s mother was attending school in Hawaii in 1961, or is that “fact” part of the fraud too? If true, why the sudden trip to Kenya to give birth? (I have read it was due to the need for a “Rosemary’s Baby”-type Satanic ritual that would be unlawful in U.S.A., but that’s just a left-wing parody of rightful thinking, isn’t it?) > > Could be . . . But it sounds more like [Poe’s Law](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law) in action. > > Of course, [meme-savvy RWs know just what to make of “Poe’s Law”!](http://www.conservapedia.com/Poe's_law) Does it show liberal bias on my part to think the birthers should suggest a motive for the mysterious trip to Kenya? In the absence of any birther comment, I guess I’ll assume that it was for the Satanic ritual. Speaking of Poe’s Law, I have a first-hand acquaintance with it: Lacking access to any Western media except N.Y. Times (and Usenet!) I lost track of how deranged American right-wing thinking became. I created a Usenet sock-puppet saying _ridiculously absurd_ things in a sincere effort to wake up some Usenetters by showing them the _reductio ad absurdem_ of their “thinking.” Instead the sock-puppet started getting fan mail! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/198 "2010-12-31T14:48:53Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Can you provide me with cites that detail the records you’re interested in that Bush, Clinton, Reagan, and McCain have released? I can’t seem to locate any of their birth certificates, much less their parents’ marriage and divorce records, passport and visa records, social security records, selective service records, disbarment records, hospital records, school and college records, marriage/divorce records, or health records. > > I mean, since you’re sure that Bush, Clinton, Reagan and McCain have provided all of those records to the public, surely you’d have links to those records, right? Right. These gentlemen provided all the records that were legally required by the election authorities; and on a case by case basis may have released in part or in whole some or few or many or none of the ones that were merely “of interest” to anyone else. Once the absolute legal requirements which have to be be uniform for all candidates are complied with, their condition as public officials/figures does NOT result in that \*every \*aspect of their personal lives becomes public domain and must be delivered _on demand_, contrary to what some people may believe. “Transparency” in the context of _the official functioning of a governmental administration_, does \*\*\*not \*\*\*mean what **Susanann** seems to think the word means. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/199 "2010-12-31T14:59:48Z")
I have to say sitting outside the US of A, this is really bloody baffling. Since I am neither a Leftist nor an American, let me say that 1: you have to be a borderline loon or outright loon to not give credit to the documentation already provided, 2: the politics of doubt look pretty much exactly like British National Party loathsome nonsense to me (which is to say, nativist racism of a primitive and particularly neanderthalic kind). It is disappointing to see the US right has degenerated to the point that it doesn’t smack down such primitive and thuggish nonsense. At least CP has called this sort of thing for what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/200 "2010-12-31T15:35:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. And yet, the hospital he was born in has no record of his birth. But he has a short form birth certificate and he’s a white Republican, so that really doesn’t matter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=11)